Word for bunch of fish

Hmm, I thought I needed to agree the verb with the singular «bunch».

Not necessarily. Are you considering the bunch singly or severally? In formal writing, we might try to match a singular collective noun with a singular verb, but we don’t use the word “bunch” in this sense in formal writing.

I guess this example does need «was», doesn’t it? There was a bunch of bananas on the table.

Yes. I trust you understand the difference!

Yes. I trust you understand the difference!

This is how it works, right?

There was a bunch of bananas on the table.
There were a bunch of bananas on the table.

I think the singular bunch has to be tied/bound together in some way. A bunch of keys is clearly a number of keys on a ring, and is singular. A bunch of teenagers are separate individuals and are plural. I expect there are some nouns that could be either (although I can’t think of any offhand), and the choice between singular and plural depends on whether the speaker thinks of them as being one thing or several things.

The singular «bunch» is common in BrE. I think BrE speakers are less likely to use the plural «bunch» than AmE speakers, but it isn’t at all rare.

I think BrE speakers are less likely to use the plural «bunch» than AmE speakers, but it isn’t at all rare.

Plus BrE doesn’t use it with uncountable nouns, so there seem to be two differences.

You can have a bunch of time to get something done.

Also:

«We have a whole bunch of time before we have to leave.»

The singular «bunch» is common in BrE. I think BrE speakers are less likely to use the plural «bunch» than AmE speakers, but it isn’t at all rare.

Which sense(s) are you talking about here, UJ?

I bought a bunch of parsley.
Less likely to be used when the meaning is «cluster,» because the sentence is ambiguous.

I bought one bunch of parsley.
Perfectly fine.

Interesting. Would BrE use the former?

I bought a bunch of parsley is unambiguous in BrE: it just means a bunch of parsley

I would also add that in American English, «bunch» meaning «cluster» or «bound unit» is not that common when it’s ambiguous:

a) I bought three bunches of parsley.
Perfectly fine.

b) The parsley costs a dollar a bunch.
Perfectly fine.

c) I bought a bunch of parsley.
Less likely to be used when the meaning is «cluster,» because the sentence is ambiguous.

d) I bought one bunch of parsley.
Perfectly fine.

I agree with @elroy (I added letters to the example sentences to shorten what I’m about to write) about a) and b) but not about c) and d). Context makes a big difference.

When I go to the grocery store and the person with the shopping list says «Go get a bunch of parsley and three onions» I bring back a little «bouquet» of parsley as in a) and b) and three onions. I do not bring back an armful of parsley «bouquets.» If they wanted twenty bunches, they’d say so (and I’d be very surprised). But I might say «How much parsley?» to which the other person would answer laconically «one.»

If I wanted to make it clear that by c) I mean several or many bunches, I’d say «I bought a lot of parsley.»

d) sounds a little too ‘picky’ to me — no need to specify the number. Maybe that’s because I hardly ever buy more than one bunch of parsley at a time.

To summarize, to me ‘a bunch of parsley’ in ordinary life means one little wrapped «unit» of parsley. If I lived in a household where large amounts of parsley were used (for tabbouleh, say) I might use ‘bunch’ differently.

I don’t think we really disagree. Context makes a difference. I only said «less likely to be used.» Parsley may not have been the best example. In a scenario where I’m asking someone to grab something for me at the grocery store, I probably wouldn’t use a vague «a bunch of» as a general quantifier anyway. I’d be more specific than that, even if not perfectly exact: «Go get like three pounds of parsley,» «Go get like twenty or so big potatoes,» or even «Go get about this much rice» while cupping my hands to indicate an approximate quantity. With «a bunch of,» there’d be too much risk of them getting too much or too little.

There’s a bunch of parsley in the fridge.
This is an example where I would probably avoid saying it this way if it was important for me to convey where there’s one bunch or four. And yes, if you often make tabbouleh four bunches is perfectly plausible.

As for 2, a sentence such as There’s a bunch of teenagers hanging around by the park gates most evenings sounds perfectly normal to me in BrE. This is because it’s not a statement about the large number of teenagers present (there might only be four or five of them) but a description of their physical distribution. It describes the fact that they are gathered in cluster, gaggle or ‘knot’.

For me, in American English:

In your example, «a bunch of» doesn’t convey to me that they are «gathered in a cluster.» If the area referred to («around by the park gates») is not that big, then I would probably envision them «gathered in a cluster» because they would pretty much have to be, but that information would come from «around by the park gates» and not «a bunch of.» If we’re talking about a large, extensive area (a large town square, for example), the teenagers could be pretty spread apart and «a bunch of» would still be possible in American English.

«a bunch of» is also ambiguous here with regard to whether it’s a large number of teenagers. As I told @zaffy earlier:

I think it would depend on context, tone of voice, etc.

Basically, I would say that except in the sense of 1, «bunch» has lost the «cluster» aspect in American English.

I don’t think we really disagree. Context makes a difference. I only said «less likely to be used.» Parsley may not have been the best example. In a scenario where I’m asking someone to grab something for me at the grocery store, I probably wouldn’t use a vague «a bunch of» as a general quantifier anyway. I’d be more specific than that, even if not perfectly exact: «Go get like three pounds of parsley,» «Go get like twenty or so big potatoes,» or even «Go get about this much rice» while cupping my hands to indicate an approximate quantity. With «a bunch of,» there’d be too much risk of them getting too much or too little.

There’s a bunch of parsley in the fridge.
This is an example where I would probably avoid saying it this way if it was important for me to convey where there’s one bunch or four. And yes, if you often make tabbouleh four bunches is perfectly plausible.

I didn’t mean that we disagreed violently 😀 but I think we do actually disagree — I don’t think ‘a bunch of parsley’ is particularly ambiguous. To me it is the little cluster unless the context dictates otherwise. And yes, I picked tabbouleh for a reason!

Sure, I would not say «a bunch of potatoes» or «a bunch of rice.» In reality, parsley is sold by the bunch, so I’d say «get a bunch of parsley» or «get four bunches of parsley» to mean four clusters.

But recipes call for weights of potato or amounts of potatoes, and that’s how they’re sold, and in the US rice is measured by volume in recipes (or by weight, occasionally) and rice is sold by weight in boxes or bags. So I would ask for the foodstuff according to how it’s sold or what the recipe calls for.

Basically, I would say that except in the sense of 1, «bunch» has lost the «cluster» aspect in American English.

What about someone trying to organize a parade of 7-year-olds: «Kids, don’t bunch up like that. Spread out and walk in a line!»
and that organizer to another adult:
«Jeez, they just walk in a bunch. Have they no concept of what a parade is? Kids these days….»

To me it is the little cluster unless the context dictates otherwise.

Okay, then I guess we do disagree. If someone told me they had a bunch of parsley in the fridge, I wouldn’t assume one bunch.

Another example:

I walked into the kitchen and it was a mess! The countertop was stained, the sink was overflowing with dishes, and on the floor there were some potatoes, an onion, and a bunch of parsley!

In that context, it could be one bunch, or something else — like loose leaves and/or stems (whole and/or chopped) scattered around in non-bunch form.

What about someone trying to organize a parade of 7-year-olds: «Kids, don’t bunch up like that. Spread out and walk in a line!»
and that organizer to another adult:
«Jeez, they just walk in a bunch. Have they no concept of what a parade is? Kids these days….»

Good point. Sorry, I should’ve said “a bunch of.”

Which sense(s) are you talking about here, UJ?

A bunch of keys/grapes/flowers/parsley is lying on the table. This use is common in BrE.
Of course, you can have more than one bunch of keys/grapes/flowers or parsley, and use «bunches» and a plural verb.

A bunch of kids are playing in the park. This use is less common.

I don’t think BrE uses «bunch» meaning «a lot of» with an uncountable noun, when the meaning isn’t a tied-together bundle or something else that is connected together. A bunch of cheese sounds very odd (as opposed to «a bunch of cheeses», which merely sounds a little unusual). A bunch of parsley is this

If someone said they saw a bunch of parsley growing in a field, I might imagine this:

I would not imagine this:

I would imagine the second.

Not the first and the second as distinct from the third?

Or it could refer to an ungodly quantity of cheese.

I ate a (whole) bunch of cheese earlier, and I’m feeling pretty bloated. I couldn’t help it: I was at the Dane County Farmers’ Market in Madison and they were giving out free samples! Of course I had to sample everything!

(I thought of this example because I happen to be in Madison as we speak. I don’t think the Farmers’ Market takes place in the winter, though. 😔)

A bunch of parsley is this

(Strange that you chose exactly the same image as the one I did in #61 )

If I heard I saw a bunch of parsley growing in a field, I’d think the speaker was barmy.

As other BrE-folk have already said, a bunch of cheese sounds downright weird here

And while Elroy is busy enriching his vocabulary, here’s something fairly barmy for the rest of us to look at.
A bunch of cheese:

And this is a bunch of cheese in the American sense:

This shop sells a whole bunch of cheeses:

Actually, we might use «a whole bunch of cheeses» (definitely countable) to mean lots of different types of cheese, not necessarily whole cheeses. However, as I mentioned earlier, this use of «bunch» to mean «lot of» isn’t particularly common in Britain.

— there was a bunch of sheep/fish.
— there were a bunch of sheep/fish.

I think I’d use plural if it wasn’t the standard group name.

— there was a flock of sheep
— there were a bunch of sheep

— there was a school of fish
— there were a bunch of fish

Hmm, I thought I needed to agree the verb with the singular «bunch».

I guess this example does need «was», doesn’t it? There was a bunch of bananas on the table.

Interestingly this can change with context.

There was a bunch of flowers on the table.
There were a bunch of flowers on the table.

There was a bunch of teenagers playing the fool. ?
There were a bunch of teenagers playing the fool.

A bunch of flowers is always perceived as a single object, whereas a bunch of teenagers relates to a loose group of individuals who may be spread over a considerable area.

There was a bunch of flowers on the table.

There were a bunch of flowers on the table.

In normal US-English, in contrast to banana specialist English, this is a bunch of bananas. It may not be technically correct, but language is what people say, or write. It costs $1.39. That’s a singular verb and normal US-English usage.

There’s clear divergence between British and American usages. I caught something in moverb’s example though:

If «it» refers to a collective noun, then it can be singular or plural.

1. I have a bunch of paper.
2. I have a bunch of papers.

The meanings are very close but the emphasis is a little different. In #1 you are emphasizing a large quantity of paper and quantity is singular. It #2 you are emphasizing many separate sheets of paper which is plural.

If «it» refers to something singular, then it does not make sense to use «bunch» for one thing.

This works, but worth mentioning that 2. ‘I have a bunch of papers‘ is most likely to be heard in the mouth of a teacher, where ‘a paper’ refers to ‘one piece of written work submitted by a student’.

US teacher: I can’t come to the bar, I have a bunch of papers to grade.

UK teacher: I can’t come to the pub, I have loads of papers to mark.

US and UK teacher together: We need to go on strike!

But: Speaking of a bunch of flour, it would be a «a bunch of it.»

It would be if we could say that in BE, which we can’t. It would have to be lots/loads of flour.

Yes, they are both very common. Along with other words.

A bunch
A lot
Lots
A ton

And others

Yes, they are both very common. Along with other words.

A bunch
A lot
Lots
A ton

And others

But do you say ‘loads of’?