What does short word form mean?
In mathematics, the short word form is created by writing a large number using a combination of numbers and words. For instance, the short word form of 785,000 is 785 thousand. Short word form is most commonly used for numbers greater than a thousand.
How do you write numbers in short form?
The numero sign or numero symbol, №, (also represented as Nº, No, No./no.), is a typographic abbreviation of the word number (s) indicating ordinal numeration, especially in names and titles.
What is the meaning of short form in maths?
When we write a number as a sum of place value of its digits, the number is said to be in expended form and when we write a number using digits, the number is said to be in short form .
Why no is short for number?
A high-schooler in Indianapolis, Indiana, wonders why the word number is abbreviated as no . when there’s no letter O in the word. The answer lies in the Latin word numero, which is the ablative form of the Latin word for number , numerus.
What does No 1 stand for?
1 : one’s own interests or welfare : oneself looking out for number one —often written No . 1 . 2 : one that is first in rank, importance, or influence —often written No . 1 . number one .
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Hallo,
which is the correct abbreviation of «number»?
N.
N°.
Nr.
Thanks
Fede
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#2
No.
that is how we do it in the UK.
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#3
And in Oz, too.
»No. 2 Is up next»
Not sure if it’s universal but you can also use the symbol #
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#4
Thank you both Sally and Sazza for the quick answer.
Sazza, what’s Oz?
Fede
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#6
Hello and welcome, Fede F
You will find that different countries, and indeed different organisations, have different abbreviations.
No
No.
no
no.
… are commonly used — based on the Latin numero (from numerus, number).
In AE, # is often used and so is often found in places where AE-speak is understood. Members here would refer to post #23 for example.
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#7
Hi all,
Is it correct to say “Nbr. of projects”, or “Nbr. of problems”?
If not, which would be the right way to write «the contraction of the word number”?
Thanks much!
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#8
I’ve never seen «Nbr.» be used. The correct abbreviation for number is «No.»
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#9
Thanks much edval89
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#10
The abbreviation «No.» is used only in front of an actual number, e.g.,
No.5
Paragraph No.7
Husband No. 2
If you are using the word «number» as a regular noun, it cannot be abbreviated.
The number of projects…
A large number of problems…
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#11
Idialegre, Then Ican not be write:
No. of projects, No. of problems, etc?? :O
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#12
Yes you can, depending on the type of document. I wouldn’t suggest you use abbreviations in formal writings, but in tables, graphs, etc., abbreviations are acceptable.
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#13
ok, thanks to you all, I got now the idea.
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#14
Has anyone ever seen it abbreviated this way
«Nbr.«?
Thanks!
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#15
Has anyone ever seen it abbreviated this way
«Nbr.«?
Thanks!
No, not until I read this post!
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#16
Hello and welcome, Fede F
You will find that different countries, and indeed different organisations, have different abbreviations.
No
No.
no
no.
… are commonly used — based on the Latin numero (from numerus, number).In AE, # is often used and so is often found in places where AE-speak is understood. Members here would refer to post #23 for example.
Panjandrum, does that mean that «#» is not a common symbol for number in the British isles? (and yes, «No. 5» would be readily understood to mean «Number 5» in the US)
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#17
I have seen both «Nbr.» and «Nr.» used, both only very rarely.
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#18
Panjandrum, does that mean that «#» is not a common symbol for number in the British isles? (and yes, «No. 5» would be readily understood to mean «Number 5» in the US)
In many UK contexts #, meaning number, would have to be explained. Those of us more exposed to US culture — either comic strips or IT manuals — have come to understand the US #, and it also seems to pass without comment in this forum.
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#19
In many UK contexts #, meaning number, would have to be explained. Those of us more exposed to US culture — either comic strips or IT manuals — have come to understand the US #, and it also seems to pass without comment in this forum.
Maybe because at least In Europe but I assume it is the case worldwide now that you use the # symbol when you have to enter a number on your mobile. Thus no doubt now everyone knows it means naturally number.
But only official abbreviation is no. (from Latin). <Moderator note: References to abbreviations in languages other than English have been removed. This English Only forum deals only with English usage.>
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#20
I have seen both «Nbr.» and «Nr.» used, both only very rarely.
Yes, ‘Nbr’ or ‘Nr’ would just look ‘foreign’ (German, etc.).
N° would also be understood, but would also look ‘foreign’ (French, etc.).
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#21
Maybe because at least In Europe but I assume it is the case worldwide now that you use the # symbol when you have to enter a number on your mobile. Thus no doubt now everyone knows it means naturally number.
The regular use of # for number in some BE contexts long precedes the introduction of mobile phones/ cell phones.
It’s rather an aside, but I never use the # key for this purpose on my phone.
But only official abbreviation is no. (from Latin). Others are just pure shortcuts, even though in Europe you see Nbr. or Nr. quite often I think (In French, we would still write Nbre for instance!)
There is no single official abbreviation. There are various conventions/standards.
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#22
If you listen to automated instructions telling phone users what button to press you will often hear ‘that’ key called «the hash key» in the UK or «the pound key» in the US.
I would use «no.» as an abbreviation usually, but as Panj says, there isn’t a single convention. What I would advise is that, whichever convention you choose to use, you make sure you use it consistently.
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#23
If you listen to automated instructions telling phone users what button to press you will often hear ‘that’ key called «the hash key» in the UK or «the pound key» in the US.
One of those little snippets of trivia that you’ll probably never need unless setting a wager in a pub is that the «#» is also called an octothorp — name coined by Bell Labs in the U.S. in 1973.
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#24
Another thing about the # symbol, in some places it is referred to as ‘the number symbol’, ‘the pound key’ (when referencing a telephone key pad), or a ‘hash key’ (again, when referencing a telephone key pad).
In English Canada, # is far more common; but, N° is understood and seen often because it is preferred in French Canada.
Is there an alt-key short-cut for typing N°?
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#25
A point that has not been touched upon here is whether the abbreviation «No.» should be capitalised:
My tax registration no. is xxx OR
My tax registration No. is xxx
To me the capitalised No. looks messy but some proofreaders seem to insist on it.
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#26
A point that has not been touched upon here is whether the abbreviation «No.» should be capitalised:
My tax registration no. is xxx OR
My tax registration No. is xxxTo me the capitalised No. looks messy but some proofreaders seem to insist on it.
The abbreviation is not used in that context. It would have to be «My tax registration number is XXXX».
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#27
I’m not sure about that. Obviously it’s just lazy and bad style to write, for example, «a no. of people attended», but in set expressions like telephone no., VAT no., serial no., etc. it is indeed used as an abbreviation in some styles (e.g. some legal docs and technical docs). And in those circumstances I would still be interested to hear some opinions about whether one would use «No.» or «no.» if found in the middle of a sentence.
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#28
In the situations gls describes I would write No. or no. depending on whether I would write in full Number or number.
… Serial Number … -> … Serial No. …
… registration number … -> … registration no. …
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#29
What is the abbreviation for «numbers»? For instance, I need to write «U.S. Pat. No. x,xxx,xxx; x,xxx,xxx; x,xxx,xxx». Should the abbreviation for «Numbers» be «No.» or «Nos.»?
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#30
What is the abbreviation for «numbers»? For instance, I need to write «U.S. Pat. No. x,xxx,xxx; x,xxx,xxx; x,xxx,xxx». Should the abbreviation for «Numbers» be «No.» or «Nos.»?
In BrE we use Nos.
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#31
From wikipedia:
In many parts of the world, including parts of Europe, Canada, Australia, and Russia,[citation needed] number sign refers instead to the «numero» sign № (Unicode code point U+2116), which is often written simply as No.
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#32
Is there a space between the dot and the number itself?
E.g.
this brand holds the no.1 market position
or
this brand holds the no. 1 market position
Thanks
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#33
I think it’s personal preference, but I wouldn’t put a space in between, simply to eliminate any doubt that there is a number missing in between, similar how you wouldn’t leave a space between a negative indicator and number : -5 ( as in negative 5).
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#34
Also to add to this in case you think someone might confuse this for a decimal number, like 0.1 — there is not worry about it, since No. usually means that you are referring to a whole number. As in room No.23. But again I think it’s just a personal preference.
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#35
In American English, # can stand either for «number» or «pound» (the unit of weight). Most commonly, it is the former meaning that is meant, except when referring to the # key on a telephone. In that case, you will find (at least in the USA) that automated voice menus accessed by telephones will sometimes direct you to «press the pound key,» though here it has nothing to do with weight. (I suspect the name for the key was chosen to avoid the inevitable confusion that «press the number key» would cause.)
Note that when abbreviating [No.], it is usually capitalized, since it is only used with a specific number, as mentioned in an earlier post; also, that the period should not be omitted, even informally (to avoid causing the reader to pause over the ambiguity with the word «no»).
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#36
«N° would also be understood, but would also look ‘foreign’ (French, etc.).«
Is «N°» actually incorrect in English? Does anybody know?
Thanks,
Nicholas.
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#37
I’ve never seen it before, and I wouldn’t know what it meant but for this thread. I don’t know if it’s incorrect, but it’s certainly not universally understood.
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#38
Unlike those used in some other languages, American keyboards don’t include either a superior lower-case «o» (º) or «Nº» together as a single character. I don’t think keyboards for other English-speaking countries do either, even though there are some variations from the American keyboard (such as inclusion of «£»).
That suggests that «Nº» has never been used in English-speaking countries as an abbreviation for «Number» or anything else. I happen to know how to use an «º» in Windows but many Americans who know more about computers and data processing than I do not know how to do this, and in any case it requires extra keystrokes. It’s a lot like inverted question marks and exclamation points (¿¡), which English doesn’t use either.
Therefore, whether a particular reader whose native language is English will understand «Nº» to mean «number» is a chancy business. Those with extensive experience with the languages where it is used will recognize it, and some might figure it out from the context, but when writing in English it would be better to employ a more widely understood abbreviation, rather than to insist on one from one’s native language.
There seem to be some differences between British and American English in the most common abbrevation for «number,» as described earlier in this thread.
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#39
Hi Pob14 and Fabulist,
Thanks both.
Yes, my UK keyboard doesn’t have one either, making º a rare chance to use «insert/symbol» in Word which breaks the tedium a bit!
I gather from your replies that it is probably correct to replace the exotic «N
º
» with a bog-standard «No.» in translating texts from other languages. No means no!
Nico.
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#40
Is «N°» actually incorrect in English? Does anybody know?
Happy New Year, Nicholas/Nico!
As others have said, it is not common, but I wouldn’t say it is incorrect. It might suggest foreignness — or it might suggest old fashion. There was the tradition of raising the last letter of a contraction, as in this sign for Abbey Rd (note the raised, underscored D). I’ve also seen N
º
in this kind of context.
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#41
To me, «No.» is most typical. «Nr.» is used by German speaking Dutch. Additional one not mentioend is «N
o
«, which was commonly used on printed forms in the old days for trades.
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#42
<< …»N°. on the map.» or «No on map.» … >>
What is the best phrase in English ?
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#43
The standard abbreviation of «number» is «No.»
p.s. Welcome to the forum SilviaVirus
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#44
Please clarify the nature of your question, SilviaVirus.
And of course, Welcome to the Forum!
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#45
Welcome, SilviaVirus. Not to anticipate your clarification, but just a general comment about No vs N°.
As No can easily be confused with the word «no», it’s generally best to include the stop: «No.» (even these days, when it’s acceptable to write many abbreviations without stops). The disadvantage with that is that the stop tends to break the sentence, as the eye may see it initially as a full stop after the word «No».
Personally I prefer N°, as it avoids all possible confusion.
Ws
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#46
Is this about a phrase such as «The memorial is shown as No. 5 on the map?» In that case, the number after the abbreviation would clarify that «No» (if one does not use the period, BE stop or full stop) is short for «number,» not the word «no.» Still, this is a place where the U.S. practice of putting periods after all abbreviations can be helpful.
I’d consider the form with the little raised «o» to be archaic in English, though it’s still used in other languages. I might expect to see it in a nineteenth-century account book in an antique store, but not in anything written in the present century.
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#47
I don’t think I’ve ever so much as seen it — except in one of those antique manuscripts. I guess I could figure out what it meant if it was followed by a number («N° 1″), but it would certainly make me look twice. I would not recommend it.
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#48
I agree that ‘No.’ is the British abbreviation. I don’t remember ever encountering a situation where it could be confused with the word ‘no’. I would always include ‘.’
So: «No. on map.»
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#49
Mod note: Silvia’s thread (post 42 onwards) has been merged with an earlier thread. Please read the earlier posts for more on the abbreviation for ‘number’.Welcome to the Forum, Silvia!
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#50
[…] Personally I prefer N°, as it avoids all possible confusion. […]
Judging by the reactions of others, particularly AmE-speakers, it seems that «N°» isn’t universally accepted. Perhaps I’ve been influenced by my exposure to French usage.
I agree with Biffo that you’d be unlikely to confuse «No.» with the word «No» once you think about it. But I do occasionally experience a split-second hesitation when reading a sentence with «No.», particularly if there’s a space between it and the following number:
— «He said No. 13 is unlucky«.
Apparently I’m not entirely alone in that:
[…] also, that the period should not be omitted, even informally (to avoid causing the reader to pause over the ambiguity with the word «no»).
However the problem is considerably reduced by omitting the space.
— «He said No.13 is unlucky«.
Ws
How do you write numbers in short form?
The abbreviation for number is no./nos. Abbreviated unit of measurements do not take a full stop (lb, mm, kg) and do not take a final ‘s’ in the plural. This is a suggestion from Cambridge Dictionary for use of no. as the abbreviation for number.
What is an example of word form?
Many words in English have four different forms; verb, noun, adjective and adverb. … For example some recently-coined words such as ‘avatar’, ‘captcha’ or ‘selfie’ only exist as nouns. Others, such as the noun ‘fun’, have no verb or adverb form. The verb ‘sing’ has a noun form ‘singer’ but no adjective or adverb.
What does word form means in math?
Word form is writing the numerical/number as you would say it in words.
What is expanded form and short form?
When we expand a number to show the value of each digit , we are writing the number in the expanded form . Reducing a number based on the place value is known as short form.
How do I write a word form?
What is word form called?
1. word form – the phonological or orthographic sound or appearance of a word that can be used to describe or identify something; “the inflected forms of a word can be represented by a stem and a list of inflections to be attached” descriptor, form, signifier. linguistics – the scientific study of language.
What is addition short form?
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How do you teach short form in math?
How do you write 10000 in short form?
The number 10000 can also be written 10,000 (UK and US), 10.000 (Europe mainland), 10 000 (transition metric), or 10•000 (with the dot raised to the middle of the zeroes; metric).
What is the short form of multiplication?
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How do you abbreviate received?
There are four common ways to abbreviate received: Rec. Recv Rcv. Rec’d.
How do you abbreviate edition?
According to the American Psychological Association (APA), abbreviations are best used only when they allow for clear communication with the audience.
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edition | ed. |
revised edition | Rev. ed. |
Second Edition | 2nd ed. |
What is the shorter form of repeated addition?
Repeated addition of the same number is called multiplication.
What is the answer of addition is called?
The answer of addition is called the sum, the answer of subtraction is called the difference, when minuend = subtrahend, difference is Zero.
What we call the number to be divided?
What is being divided is called the dividend, which is divided by the divisor, and the result is called the quotient. In the example, 20 is the dividend, 5 is the divisor, and 4 is the quotient.
What is multiplication form?
Repeated addition is adding equal groups together. It is also known as multiplication. If the same number is repeated then, we can write that in the form of multiplication. For example: 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2. Here 2 is repeated 5 times, we can write this addition as 5 × 2.
What is the answer in subtraction called?
In the subtraction problem, the bigger number is called minuend and the number subtracted from it is called subtrahend. The answer in subtraction is called difference.
How do I skip count?
To skip count means to count by adding the same number each time to the previous number. To skip count by two, you keep adding a 2 to your previous number. To skip count by three, you keep adding a 3 to your previous number. To skip count by any number, you keep adding that number to your previous number.
What is the factor 24?
The factors of 24 are 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 24. Therefore, 24 has 8 factors.
What is Multiplicant?
“Multiplicand” is the name given to a number being multiplied by another number. Another name for “multiplicand” is “factor”. … 2.3x is the multiplier.
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What is the correct abbreviation for the words numbers and number?
- Nos.
- No.
- Nos
- No
Possible example usage:
- «Number of guests» where the word number is abbreviated
- «Numbers 10–15 are located in the top shelf.»
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It is highly unlikely that there is a global standard. It differs based on practice and the standards set by the relevant authorities (publishers and the like).
Ex: The Oxford Journal Instructions for Authors suggests (Sec. 2.3):
Abbreviations where the last letter of the singular word is not included take a full stop (vol., vols./ed., eds.). The abbreviation for number is no./nos. Abbreviated unit of measurements do not take a full stop (lb, mm, kg) and do not take a final ‘s’ in the plural.
This is a suggestion from Cambridge Dictionary for use of no. as the abbreviation for number.
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Cambridge dictionary only gives the abbreviation no. when number refers to a numeral, a position or identification, not a quantity, amount or calculation : http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/number_1
Therefore I understand «Number of guests» should not be abbreviated.
In other words, the ordinal number (e.g. No. 3, which indicates a position in an ordered list) is abbreviated, but the cardinal number (e.g. Number of guests, which indicates a numeric quantity) is not abbreviated.
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I use «num» or «nm» instead of «no» to avoid confusion with «yes/no» meaning — especially in my computer programming variable names.
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Per Wikipedia — Numero sign, it’s also possible to use » Nº » and » No̲ «:
The numero sign or numero symbol, № (also represented as Nº, No̲, No. or no.), is a typographic abbreviation of the word number(s) indicating ordinal numeration, especially in names and titles.
For example, with the numero sign, the written long-form of the address «Number 22 Acacia Avenue» is shortened to «№ 22 Acacia Avenue«, yet both forms are spoken long.
Though it doesn’t seem to be common.
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Number forms are the different ways of writing whole numbers. See below the six different ways of writing the same whole number.
The following table shows the number forms for a number much bigger than 324. Notice that in the figure above, we do not have a short word form for 324. However, we do have a short word form for the number 645927.
The short word form is used for numbers greater than one thousand.
Number Forms | Example |
Standard form | 645,927 |
Word form or written form | six hundred fourty-five thousand, nine hundred twenty-seven |
Short word form | 645 thousand, 927 |
Expanded form | (6 × 100,000) + (4 × 10,000) + (5 × 1000) + (9 × 100) + (2 × 10) + (7 × 1) |
Exponential form | (6 × 105) + (4 × 104) + (5 × 103) + (9 × 102) + (2 × 101) + (7 ×100) |
Scientific form | 6.45927 × 105 |
More examples showing the six ways of writing whole numbers.
Example #1
Show the six different ways of writing 572,048
Solution
Standard form: 572048
Word form: Five hundred seventy-two thousand, forty-eight
Short word form: 572 thousand, 48
Expanded form: (5 × 100000) + (7 × 10000) + (2 × 1000) + (0 × 100) + (4 × 10) + (8 × 1)
Exponential form: (5 × 105) + (7 × 104) + (2 × 103) + (0 × 102) + (4 × 101) + (8 × 100)
Scientific form: 5.72048 × 105
Example #2
Show the six different ways of writing 8,796,532,148
Solution
Standard form: 8,796,532,148
Word form: Eight billion, seven hundred ninety-six million, five hundred thirty-two thousand, one hundred forty-eight
Short word form: 8 billion, 796 million, 532 thousand, 148
Expanded form: (8 × 1000000000) + (7 × 100000000) + (9 × 10000000) + (6 × 1000000) + (5 × 100000) + (3 × 10000) + (2 × 1000) + (1 × 100) + (4 × 10) + (8 × 1)
Exponential form: (8 × 109) + (7 × 108) + (9 × 107) + (6 × 106) + (5 × 105) + (3 × 104) + (2 × 103) + (1 × 102) + (4 × 101) + (8 × 100)
Scientific form: 8.796532148 × 109
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In mathematics, the short word form is created by writing a large number using a combination of numbers and words. For instance, the short word form of 785,000 is 785 thousand.
Short word form is most commonly used for numbers greater than a thousand. It differs from word form in that each quantity is not given in word form. The word form of 785,000 is seven hundred eighty-five thousand. Instead, in short form, the quantity is written by combining the defined quantity of “785” and the word which indicates the place value, “thousand.” Short word form is most commonly learned alongside place value in a traditional math curriculum.
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The number is the mathematical object to count, measure, and label, and the examples of numbers are natural numbers. Numbers can be denoted in various forms in every language. The short form of numbers is “Nos” and it is the plural of a number “no”. This term is used in business English and it is derived from the Latin language word Numero. The term short form of numbers is used in various types of numbers few of them are given below:
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A concept regularly taught along with place value is “expanded form”, a way to write a number that displays each place separately. As we’ll see, there is considerable variation in terminology here, so parents may have to check what form a teacher wants, rather than look it up and expect a single answer!
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Expanded and Standard FormsMy teacher has asked me to write numbers in standard form and expanded form. For example 4,017. What exactly does she want me to do?
Doctor Ameis replied:
Hello Mark, Expanded form is a way of writing numbers so that all that is hidden about them comes out into the open. The simplest way to write numbers in expanded form is to write them sort of in English. For 4,017, this becomes 4 thousands and 0 hundreds and 1 ten and 7 ones. This can be made to look like math by changing the words to math symbols.The expanded form for 4,017, then, is: 4 x 1000 + 0 x 100 + 1 x 10 + 7 x 1 The expanded form shows what each digit is worth (for example, the 4 is worth 4 x 1000, which is the same as 4 thousands, which equals 4000).
I love that initial description. We want to “expand” a number, sort of unfurling it, to show what is hidden in the compact form we call positional notation, making explicit what is implied by the position of each digit.
He says “sort of in English” because normal English would be “four thousand seventeen”, which is not so fully unfurled! We have to make it clear that 4 thousand means 4 times one thousand, and break up the clump that is “seventeen” as one ten and seven ones. So we have $$4017 = 4times 1000 + 0times 100 + 1times 10 + 7times 1$$ We’ll discuss below whether the zero should be included.
Here is another example. 12,345 becomes 1 ten thousand and 2 thousands and 3 hundreds and 4 tens and 5 ones. Changing the words to math symbols, 12,345 in expanded form is: 1 x 10,000 + 2 x 1,000 + 3 x 100 + 4 x 10 + 5 x 1
What is standard form? It’s just the form we started with, like Mark’s 4017. What if you’re given the expanded form first?
Standard form is the reverse of expanded form. You begin with expanded form and change it to the way we normally write numbers. For example, 3 x 1,000 + 5 x 100 + 7 x 10 + 4 x 1 can be changed to 3 thousands and 5 hundreds and 7 tens and 4 ones. This becomes: 3000 + 500 + 70 + 4 Do the addition and you get 3574 (the standard form).
Writing in standard form just means doing the arithmetic indicated by the expanded form. We’re putting the number back together again.
The intermediate form here, as we’ll see, is also sometimes called “expanded form”: $$3574 = 3000 + 500 + 70 + 4$$
But “standard form” doesn’t mean the same thing everywhere; in many countries that term refers to what we in America call “scientific notation”. As I have often commented, the least standardized word in all of math is the word “standard”.
In between: Short word form
A closely related question is represented by this from 2002:
Short Word FormHow is 474,136 written in short word form vs. standard form?
Doctor Sarah answered:
Hi Nicholas - thanks for writing to Dr. Math. The standard form of a number is written with commas separating every three digits. Your number 474,136 is already in standard form. In short word form, the number is written using a combination of numerals and letters. Your number would be 474 thousand 136
This form focuses on the “periods” (groups of three digits, separated by commas) in a number, which represent powers of 1000 (thousand, million, billion, …).
Another form (which one teacher who asked about it called “mixed form”) looks like “3 hundreds, 4 tens, 5 ones”, which is essentially the “sort of English” form of Doctor Ameis. A student once asked about “word-and-number” form, which might be what his teacher calls either of these.
In word form, the number is written in words: four hundred seventy-four thousand one hundred thirty-six
This could be called “long word form” or “standard word form”; it doesn’t directly relate to place value.
In expanded form or expanded notation, your number is written as: 4 x 100,000 + 7 x 10,000 + 4 x 1,000 + 1 x 100 + 3 x 10 + 6 x 1
This is the same expanded form we saw before. But we’ve seen teachers use that term for a couple variations.
Three kinds of “expanded”
A similar question (never archived) comes from 2009:
How do I write 680034987 in expanded notation?
Doctor Ian answered, taking a slightly different approach to the form:
Hi Monique, Suppose I want to write 4098 in expanded form. I can write it as a column addition, 4000 90 + 8 ----- 4098 If I write it on a single line, 4000 + 90 + 8 then it's in 'expanded form'.
This is the simplest “expanded form”; there are a couple others:
Note that this isn't really a mathematical thing. It's a math-teacher thing. So the 'right' answer will depend on what it is your teacher wants to see. Some teachers might require it to be written like 4*1000 + 9*10 + 8*1 and some might require it to be written as 4*10^3 + 9*10^1 + 8*10^0 It's really a matter of taste. Any one of those would be correct, but any teacher might decide to mark only one of them as 'right'. Anyway, do you see the main idea? Can you apply it to your number? Try that, and let me know what you come up with.
We’ve seen the first of these; the second we haven’t yet. This can be called exponential expanded form, or expanded form with powers of ten.
Incidentally, we have had a number of teachers or students ask us about the difference between “expanded form” and “expanded notation”, and it seems that some authors do distinguish these terms (e.g. here), saying that (400+90+8) is “expanded form” while (4times 1000+9times 10+8times 1) is “expanded notation”. But Common Core (here) calls the latter “expanded form”; and other sources (e.g. here) call the former “expanded notation”. I don’t think any of these naming conventions are standard. As Doctor Ian said, it’s just a matter of taste.
I’ll call the three forms “short expanded form“, $$498 = 4000+90+8$$
“long expanded form“, $$498 = 4times 1000 + 9times 10 + 8times 1$$
and “exponential expanded form“, $$498 = 4times 10^3 + 9times 10^1 + 8times 10^0$$
That’s just my choice of names, made up this minute!
Should you include zeros?
Here is a question (from 2012) that should have been archived, because it is surely a common issue:
How would you write a single digit number in expanded form? For example the number 6. We know that 16 is 10+6, but we are confused about the right way to do a single digit number. My teacher asks me to do 5 different things with the date everyday. Tally marks, money, place value blocks, odd/even, and expanded form. We are all confused about the right way to write single digit numbers in expanded form. I say it's just the number itself. My friend says you would do 0+6 like you do in money or time for single digit numbers. We really want to know what the right way to do it is.
Emily is right; but her friend isn’t terribly wrong. (Note that they are using “short expanded form”.) Doctor Ian answered:
Hi Emily, A single digit number is *already* expanded. You don't have to do anything. The problem with writing 0+6 is that you could also write 0+0+6, or 0+0+0+6, and so on. There would be no end to it. Just out of curiosity, if asked to write something like 1506 in expanded form, how would you do that?
If you require an added zero, how do you know when to stop? It seems best to stop before you start.
The new question is a good way to stimulate thought. We’ve already seen examples like this, probably chosen specifically to bring up this point.
Emily replied,
Thank you for helping us to understand math. Just to be sure I have this right, if the number is a single digit, I should just rewrite the number in the answer spot. Would it be better to leave it blank or to write, no expanded form? Emily
To answer your question 1506 in expanded form is 1000+500+6 right? I used to think I had to put a +0 in there where the tens go, but my teacher said that it wasn't needed.Well, now that brings up another question. What if the number is 40? 40 + 0?
Emily already has been told about zeros in the middle; but zeros on the left, and zeros on the right, seem different!
Doctor Ian responded first to the question about “no expanded form”:
Hi Emily, It would be better to just put the number there. For a single-digit number, the regular form and the expanded form are the same.
So there is an expanded form; it just isn’t different.
Next, about the zero in 1506 not being needed in expanded form:
I would agree.
The reason it’s needed in standard form is as a place-holder. In expanded form, places are explicit, so they don’t need to be “held”.
And then, on 40:
That *is* a good question. If we don't have to write the 0 for 1506, we probably wouldn't want to write it for 40, either. It might help to think about what 'expanded notation' is good for. For example, it's useful if we want to do 'lattice multiplication'. That is, if we want to multiply 234 by 56, we can make up a table: 50 6 200 30 4 We can multiply the individual parts, 50 6 200 10000 1200 30 1500 180 4 200 24 and then add those up to get the product: 234 * 56 = 10000 + 1500 + 200 + 1200 + 180 + 24 = 13104 Don't worry if you haven't learned about this yet. You will. But let's think about doing something like multiplying 40 by 56. The table would look like 50 6 40 2000 240 0 0 0 That last row isn't making much of a contribution, is it? So there's no real reason to include it. That's also why we wouldn't bother to write 1506 as 1000+500+0+6. Let's look at a table for that: 1000 500 0 6 30 30000 15000 0 180 9 9000 4500 0 54 Again, that third row isn't making much of a contribution. So there's no real reason to include it. This is the kind of thing that leads us to the decision not to include entries for places where the digit is zero. It just takes up space, without really being useful. Does this make sense?
A lot of math comes down to a question of what is useful.
Expanded form with decimals
A couple new issues arise when we include decimals, which are only mentioned in the archive in this question from 2001:
What is Expanded Notation?
We get more details in this unarchived question from 2010 explicitly about decimals:
My math assignment says I have to write expanded notation with numbers under 1, for example 0.05 and 0.7805
How do you do it? Especially the zero's. 0.00+ 0.05 0.000+ 0.7805Thanks Katie
The leading zeros might make a student trip up; it appears that Katie is trying to include terms for them, which would be confusing. I answered:
Weren't you given any examples in class? Or is this an assignment to test what you already know, and you have never been taught this before? I'd like to have seen some attempt (or an example of how you would write expanded notation for a number greater than 1) in order to give me a better idea where to start.
Students do sometimes ask questions about topics they missed, or on tests not associated with what they have already learned; it’s helpful when we can get such background information. Also, as we’ve seen, an example would clarify what kind of expanded form they are (or will be) learning. Lacking that information, I offered several options:
There are slightly different ways to write "expanded notation", but one form is to show the value of each digit in the number, like this: 123 = 100 + 20 + 3 or 123 = 1x100 + 2x10 + 3x1 That is, the 1 means 1 hundred, so we write either 100 or 1x100. The 2 means 2 tens, so we write 20 or 2x10; and the 3 means 3 ones, so we write 3 or 3x1.
These are my “short” and “long” extended forms, so far applied only to whole numbers. Now we extend the idea, using fractions:
The digit after the decimal point is the number of tenths, and the one after that is hundredths. So we would write 1.23 as 1.23 = 1 + 2/10 + 3/100 or 1.23 = 1x1 + 2x1/10 + 3x1/100 Does that remind you of something you've been taught? Can you tell whether one of these forms, or something like them, is the way you have been taught to write expanded form?
The short extended form is $$1.23 = 1times 1 + frac{2}{10} + frac{3}{100}$$ and the long extended form is $$1.23 = 1times 1 + 2timesfrac{1}{10} + 3timesfrac{1}{100}.$$
It looks like you may have been trying to write something like my first form, but using decimals rather than fractions: 1.23 = 1 + .2 + .03. That's a possible form, but I don't think it's very useful, and so I doubt it is what you would be expected to do. But you'd have to show me an example of what your teacher means by expanded notation in order for me to be sure.
I’m not sure whether anyone teaches this form, $$1.23 = 1times 1 + 2times .1 + 3times .01.$$
How many ways to name a number?
Occasionally, we got questions like this (unarchived) from 2007:
What are the five ways to name a number? e.g. 127
I have1. pictorial (drawing blocks)
2. words (one hundred twenty-seven)
3. expanded notation (100 + 2 10's + 7 1's) I suppose 127 is called standard notation. If so I have four of the five ways to name a number.
Doctor Rick answered:
Who says there are just five ways to name a number? That must be some educator's pronouncement, in which case you'll have to read the educator's book to get the full list. You can use scientific notation: 1.27*10^2. Or Roman numerals: CXXVII. Or hexadecimal: 7F. Or binary: 1111111. Or ancient Egyptian hieratic numerals. Or modern Arabic numerals. Or ancient Babylonian base-60 numerals. Or French words ... Honestly, I don't know what the answer is supposed to be.
Someone else asked about the four ways to name a number. I imagine each of these was really “the ___ ways we discussed in class”; such questions are particularly frustrating to parents when they don’t know what was taught, and assume it must be something universal.
Why so many ways to name a number?
Let’s look at one more unarchived question, this one from 2009:
Why are there so many forms or notations for numbers?Like Standard notation = 782
But there's also
Expanded notation = 782 = (7*100)+ (8*10)+(2*1)
Scientific notation = 1,000,000 = 10^6 (ten to the sixth power) * 1 = 1,000,000
Word form = seven hundred and eighty two
Word and Number form = (1,000) 1 thousandIt's just my teacher has taught us all these and I just find that there are A LOT.
Like here's an example of a question: "Write 107 in word form"
Answer: one hundred seven
We see here (long) expanded form, (long) word form, the “mixed” form I’ve mentioned, and also scientific notation, which uses a single power of ten. Doctor Ian answered:
I'll bet you have more than one pair of shoes, right? How come? Because different kinds of shoes are good for different situations, right? The shoes you wear to church aren't so good for the beach, and shoes for going out in the snow aren't so good for playing soccer, and so on. Each form for writing a number has its own uses, things it's good for. And it's not so good for other things!
This is the standard way to think about any such question. How about some specifics?
For example, we use word form when writing checks. If I wrote you a check for, say, 15.00 dollars, it would be easy for you to put some numbers in front of that when you go to cash it. You might change it to 915.00, for example. But if I write out 'fifteen and no/100', it's a lot harder to alter that. It's also useful for catching errors, e.g., some people write their sevens the way other people write their ones. So if you just see '15', that might mean fifteen, or it might mean seventy-five, depending on who wrote it. But if the words are written out, it's hard to confuse the two, isn't it?
These two reasons are fraud prevention (which was also one reason Europe held on to Roman numerals for so long!) and error detection (as when people write something like “two (2) copies”).
(We also use word form just to read numbers aloud, of course.)
Scientific notation makes really big numbers (like 602,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) or really small numbers (like 0.00000000056) easier to compare with other numbers, because we can just look at the exponents. It also makes them easier to work with, because we can manipulate the exponent and non-exponent parts independently. For example, to multiply 602,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 * 0.00000000056 --------------------------------- would be really hard to do, even with a calculator, without making a mistake of some kind. But if we write it as 6.02 * 10^23 * 5.6 * 10^-10 ----------------- we can just multiply 6.02 and 5.6, to get 33.7, and add the exponents, 6.02 * 10^23 * 5.6 * 10^-10 ----------------- 33.7 * 10^13 and adjust it back to scientific notation (i.e., so the first part is between 1 and 10), 6.02 * 10^23 * 5.6 * 10^-10 ----------------- 33.7 * 10^13 = 3.37 * 10^14 and it's pretty straightforward.
Each has its place.
Now, just as you don't want to wear your snow boots everywhere, using scientific notation is a bad idea for numbers that aren't very large, or very small! But for the right situation, it's a great tool to have. So basically, if mathematicians have invented a way of writing a number, it means that there is at least one situation where it solves a problem for them. Does this make sense?
Finally:
An exception is 'expanded notation'. This isn't used anywhere except in classrooms, as a way of teaching about place value. It's really not used outside of school.
And this is why the names and notations for expanded form(s) are not standardized: They are just teaching tools, not concepts mathematicians or scientists have to use (and therefore agree on).
Next time, we’ll look at some details of “word form”.