Use the word more often in a sentence

The more often they participate in goods assessment,

the

probability of acquisition is higher.

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Чем чаще они участвуют в оценке товара, тем выше вероятность приобретения.

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Соответственно, чем чаще вы выигрываете, тем больше и зарабатываете.

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The

heavier flows tetanus, the more often and longer bouts of total seizures.

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Чем тяжелее протекает столбняк, тем чаще и продолжительнее приступы общих судорог.

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It just so happened that the more often we turn to God with some requests.

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Так уж повелось, что чаще всего мы обращаемся к Богу с какими-то просьбами.

The

faster

the

tool kills lice, the more often they lead to serious side effects.

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Чем быстрее средство уничтожает вшей, тем чаще они приводит к серьезным побочным эффектам.

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Что?» Чем чаще это случается…» что?

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the

better

the

ir quality becomes, as

the

skills of working with data improv e, as well as

the

methods of their use.

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Чем чаще данные используются, тем

лучше становится их качество, по причине улучшения навыков работы с данными и усовершенствованию методов их использования.

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the more

our ownership culture reinforced

the

importance of their commitment and contributions.

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Дело в том, что чем чаще сотрудники были признаны,

тем больше наша культура собственности подчеркивала важность их обязанностей и вклада.

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The more often and longer you will take in hands a guitar,

the

faster you will learn to play it.

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Чем чаще и дольше вы будете брать в руки гитару,

тем быстрее вы научитесь играть на ней.

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the

quicker

the

velocity(rate) of metabolism is and all your body starts to work better.

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Чем чаще возникает позыв поесть, тем

быстрее скорость обмена веществ, и тем лучше начинает работать твое тело.

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Insurance fraud may

also influence

the

amount of insurance payment: the more often such crimes occur,

the

higher

the

level of risk included in

the

cost of

the

policy.

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Ведь страховое мошенничество также

может повлиять на размер страхового взноса: чем чаще происходят подобные преступления,

тем больше степень риска, которая закладывается в стоимость полиса.

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Ones to make you shit,

ignore

the

reality and laugh like mad, and the more often you do that-

the

better,- TV declared in plain terms.

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Чтобы вы срали, клали и ржали, причем, чем чаще— тем лучше,- без обиняков заявил телевизор.

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The more often

the

persons choose each to other in any situations

the

better

climate in

the

group and higher its integrity.

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Чем чаще члены группы выбирают друг друга в различных рабочих ситуациях, тем лучше

климат в группе и выше ее сплоченность.

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In studies of interpersonal attraction, the more often someone sees a person,

the more

pleasing and likeable they find that person.

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При исследовании межличностного притяжения выяснили, что чем чаще человек видит кого-то, тем приятнее и привлекательнее ему кажется этот человек.

The more often we will lead up

the

realities of Khojaly’s to attention of world community,

the

there will be our successes

more.

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Чем чаще мы будем доводить ходжалинские реалии до внимания мировой общественности,

тем больше будут наши успехи.

the

best of all and

more

surely they carry out wrestling fights on a carpet.

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Чем чаще ребята выступают на соревнованиях,

тем лучше и уверенней они проводят борцовские схватки на ковре.

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We always urge you to pray to us

even as

often

as your opened soul desires, and the more often you pray

the

brighter shall be your ambience.

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Мы всегда призываем вас молиться нам, даже

так

часто,

как ваша душа пожелает открыться, и чем чаще вы будете молиться, тем ярче будет ваше окружение.

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ceramic, metal, wood or plastic molding technology using, grinding, decals, engraving, photography and many others.

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керамики, металла, дерева или пластика при помощи технологий литья, шлифовки, деколи, гравировки, фотографирования и многих иных.

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Because of this, nowadays the more often inverse HMBC method is used,

allowing one to obtain

the

same type of information much faster.

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По этой причине в настоящее время чаще используется инверсный метод HMBC,

позволяющий получить ту же информацию гораздо быстрее.

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The

higher

the

level of integration the more often authorities appear to rely on

the

movement’s own monitoring arrangements.

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Чем выше уровень интеграции, тем чаще органы надзора полагаются на структуру мониторинга, присущую этому движению.

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Naturally, the more often you control yourself and

the more

you are attentive on your way,

the

higher

the

speed of your movement(spiritual development) will be.

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Естественно, чем чаще будешь себя контролировать, быть внимательнее на своем пути, тем

скорость твоего движения( духовного развития) будет выше.

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The

lower in altitude a satellite is, the more often it must manoeuvre to maintain its orbit and prevent re-entry.

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Чем ниже высота спутника, тем чаще ему приходится маневрировать, чтобы сохранить свою орбиту и избежать спуска в атмосферу.

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Note:

the more

dust is present in

the

place

where

the

hair dryer is used, the more often

the

filter must be cleaned.

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Примечание: чем больше запылено помещение,

в котором используют фен для волос, тем чаще необходимо чистить его.

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The

driver rating in

the

system:

the

higher it is, the more often you will be offered

the

most profitable orders.

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Рейтинг водителя в системе: чем он выше, тем чаще вам будут предлагаться самые прибыльные заказы.

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The more

sources of information an individual accesses, the more often he or she»recognizes» information warfare.

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При этом чем больше каналов информации использует человек, тем чаще он« видит» информационную войну.

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will give preference to« right» its varieties,

the

greater will be interested in

the

development of this trend in baking,

the

wider and

more

diverse range of products will be.

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Чем чаще люди, выбирая хлеб на прилавке магазина,

будут отдавать предпочтение« правильным» его сортам, тем больше хлебопекарное производство будет заинтересовано в развитии этого направления в хлебопечении, тем шире и разнообразнее станет ассортимент таких продуктов.

Besides, that can cause serious injury, and even

the

consequences will be quite

the

opposite: after cutting

the

skin very

quickly begins to grow

the

next layer, and the more often to cut,

the

thicker will become

the

skin on

the

heels.

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Кроме того, что можно нанести серьезную травму, то еще и последствия будут совсем противоположными: после срезания

кожи очень быстро начинает нарастать следующий слой, и чем чаще срезать, тем толще будет становиться кожа на пятках.

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Besides,

the

worse things get, the more often

the

factor of Russian aggression is cited,

and the

more

vociferous

the

appeals to Europeans to support Ukraine, which is allegedly at

the

forefront of

the

fight against imperial revanchism, become.

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При этом чем хуже идут дела, тем чаще вспоминается фактор российской агрессии

и

тем

активнее звучат призывы к европейцам поддержать Украину, которая якобы находится на переднем крае борьбы с имперским реван шизмом.

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According to

the

Vremya MN paper,»the

more

power

the

president has, the more often Russian citizens address their complaints directly to him;

since, despite all

the

forecasts, their living standards are deteriorating.».

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По наблюдениям газеты Время MN,» чем больше власти сосредоточивается в руках президента, тем чаще именно ему адресуются претензии россиян,

чей уровень жизни, вопреки прогнозам и обещаниям, только ухудшается».

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«Often» sometimes has comparative and superlative «oftener» and «Oftenest», but forms with «more/most» are more common. So, both are correct, though «more often» is much more common than «oftener».

Is there such a word as oftener?

You can’t just add the ‘er’ suffix to any old word. No, but there are some words you can use either way. Its ‘more often,’ not ‘oftener. ‘

Can we say more often?

«More often» is definitely correct. In my part of the world we don’t generally say «oftener» but it appears from previous posts here that «oftener» is used in British English. Don’t forget the idiom «more often than not» as an example.

Where do we use often?

Often is an adverb meaning ‘many times on different occasions’. Like many other short adverbs, we use it in front position, in mid position (between the subject and the main verb, or after the modal verb or first auxiliary verb, or after be as a main verb) or in end position: I often see Christine when I’m in town.

What is the superlative form of frequent?

Competitive:more frequently. Superlative:most frequently.

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What is the negative of often?

1. Note: negative sentences involving adverbs of frequency are generally confined to always, often, usually, normally, frequently (and never). Note: Usually, normally, sometimes, and occasionally can also come in the front or end of a sentence, or before don’t.

What is another word for often and frequently?

In this page you can discover 41 synonyms, antonyms, idiomatic expressions, and related words for often, like: frequently, usually, regularly, oftentimes, constantly, common, big, commonly, seldom, frequent and customarily.

How do you use very often?

How To Use Very Often In A Sentence?

  1. Father felt it very much and very often spoke of her.
  2. Very often she turned round and smiled at me.
  3. Very often nothing is eaten with the coffee.
  4. Very often his song is the last on the program.
  5. From her own experience she knew it was very often true.

What are 3 things we should say more often?

21 Things We Should Say More Often

  • «Excuse me.»
  • «Yes.»
  • «I can.»
  • «You’re great.»
  • «Thank you.»
  • «Please.»
  • «I need help.»
  • «You’re welcome.»

Is correct more often?

«Often» sometimes has comparative and superlative «oftener» and «Oftenest», but forms with «more/most» are more common. So, both are correct, though «more often» is much more common than «oftener».

What words should we say more often?

Here are 20 things we should say more often if we want to make the world more positive:

  • I love you.
  • I believe in you.
  • You are worthy. You deserve it.
  • The best is yet to come.
  • Stay positive.
  • I was wrong. I’m sorry.
  • Please.
  • How can I help?

What does the word oftener mean?

adverb. oftener; oftenest. Learner’s definition of OFTEN. [or more often; most often] : many times : on many occasions : frequently.

What is the similar meaning of most often?

once and again. most of the time. in the general run of things. repeatedly. recurrently.

What is the meaning of more often?

1. «More often» refers to an action that is done generally often already and now that frequency is being increased. The passage is indicating an exaggerated behavior that he is carrying out which emphasizes his state of mind: anxiety or stress.

What’s the word for doing something over and over again?

To reiterate is to do or say something over and over again, to repeat insistently: to reiterate a refusal, a demand.

What is opposite word of frequently?

(rarely) Opposite of at frequent intervals. rarely. seldom. barely. infrequently.

Is it how frequent or how frequently?

You need the adverb frequently here, it needs agreement with the verb (do frequently): How frequently do you do this? For comparison: the adjective frequent would agree with a noun: How frequent are your trips there?

Is Nearly a negative?

Almost, hardly and nearly are three words that some English grammar learners have trouble to use correctly. Basically, we use almost in positive and negative forms and nearly can only be used in negative forms.

What is the negative of already?

Already is commonly used in negative sentences, typically with the conditional «if». «If he hadn’t already completed the work, I would have helped him.» «If you’re not already a member of our club, please join today.» «If I’m not already crazy, I certainly will be by the time this project is completed.»

What is negative emphasis?

When we want to emphasise something negative, we often use at all. We normally use at all immediately after the word or phrase we are emphasising: There’s nothing at all left in the fridge.

What is comparative of good?

Both good and well change to better and best in their comparative and superlative forms. Use the comparative form — better — when comparing two items. Examples — better as adjective. Example — better as adverb. Use the superlative form — best — when comparing three or more items.

What is the comparative of high?

The comparative form of high; more high.

Словосочетания

Автоматический перевод

чаще, чаще всего, почаще, гораздо чаще, еще чаще, намного чаще, более частый

Перевод по словам

more  — более, больше, еще, гораздо, больший, дополнительный, большее количество
often  — часто, зачастую, много раз

Примеры

He travels more often than I do.

Он путешествует чаще, чем я.

It happens more often than it used to.

Это происходит чаще, чем раньше.

More often than not the train is late.

Чаще всего этот поезд опаздывает.

My dentist told me I should floss more often.

Стоматолог сказал, что мне нужно чаще пользоваться зубной нитью.

His watch is in pawn more often than in his pocket.

Его часы чаще находятся в залоге, чем у него в кармане.

They seem to be getting into arguments more and more often.

Похоже, что они всё чаще и чаще ввязываются в ссоры.

None of these newspapers was published more often than twice a week.

Ни одна из этих газет не выходила чаще двух раз в неделю.

A gentle jester, the cartoonist more often tries to evoke a broad smile than a hearty guffaw.

Обладая тонким чувством юмора, этот карикатурист чаще пытается вызвать широкую улыбку, нежели громкий хохот.

How come we don’t see you more often? *

Почему вы так редко у нас бываете?

Примеры, отмеченные *, могут содержать сленг и разговорные фразы.

Примеры, ожидающие перевода

I beat him more often at pool than he beats me.  

Advertisements are paced so that they are shown more often during peak sales seasons.  

Side effects from prescribed drugs are being reported with increasing frequency (=more and more often).  

Для того чтобы добавить вариант перевода, кликните по иконке , напротив примера.

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Is there any difference in sense between:

«Which do you use more often, bus or train?»
«Which do you use the most often, bus or train?»

Thanks.

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KooyeenAnd I guess the article can be left out, right?

Which do you use most often?

Yes. The article certainly can be left out.

CJ

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Technically, the first asks you to compare only the two named things, while the second asks you to compare more than two things, of which only the two named are expected as the answer (i.e. expected to be the most used).

In practice, the second is commonly used in the first sense, and most people neither notice nor care. Even so, if you are comparing only the two named things then I recommend the first version as superior.

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Technically, «the» is required by basic grammar rule as «most» is the superlative form. But we often see contexts omitting it. Time modifiers such as «often», or «frequent» should be used along with » the most» in a superlative context.

Compare the following:

1) If you go on to the national lottery website, it will tell you the most frequently drawn numbers. 2) What lottery numbers come up most often?, Notice «the» is missing in the latter sentence.

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Sunday, December 8, 2013 2:43:46 PM

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Hello to the specialists of English

It’s been a long time that I did English (I’m still occupied with French)
and now I find I’m forgetting things.
So I simply ask here what form is more common/commoner
1 more often or oftener
2 commoner or more common

I think both forms are in use but I would be interested which ones
are preferred.

Of course I could find this out by using grammars or the internet but
that’s always a lot of work.

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Oh, I have just googled by asking «more often or oftener» and at the first blow
I found a competent answer.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english/other/78863-oftener_or_more_often.html

So the answer given there is: oftener I suppose is the older form and more correct
according to grammar rules. But today more often is preferred in normal speech regardless of
grammar rules.
I think one can formulate this problem in this way.
Any other views?

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Sunday, December 8, 2013 3:23:47 PM

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Hi,
‘Commoner’ does not mean ‘more common’ as you think. It means people who don’t belong to royal families.

As regards your question about «oftener or more often», Google Ngram Viewer shows the prevalence of the former is steeping down. See Link

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Thanks Salesh for the trouble of answering.
It took me quite some time to get the answers from the internet,
I’m out of practice in English.

But now I asked TFD (not all big dictionaries give the comparison forms)
and TFD clearly says: common commoner commonest
and there is a noun ‘a commoner’ as you rightly say.

But I found there is still some uncertainty. Wordreference
has a post on this problem
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=233168

and there they are of the view that more common and most common
are used, even more frequently as it seems as the regular forms
common commoner commonest.
So I would say here we have an area of uncertainty, both forms
are used.

Thinking about this problem I come to understand it a little better.
As to two-syllable adjectives normal speakers of English don’t have
a list of endings in the head where the comparative forms use -er and -est.
So it is normal that sometimes uncertainty occurs and that the comparison
with more and most is preferred as it is more frequent.
And in the course of time the «wromg» forms get the better of the grammatical
forms.

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salesh2010 wrote:

Hi,
‘Commoner’ does not mean ‘more common’ as you think. It means people who don’t belong to royal families.

As regards your question about «oftener or more often», Google Ngram Viewer shows the prevalence of the former is steeping down. See Link


I’ve just looked up your link, salesh 2010. That’s an excellent diagram.
I didn’t know Google Ngram Viewer. I must study it more closely.
Many thanks for that link! Applause Applause

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Sunday, December 8, 2013 4:13:12 PM

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Here’s the Google Ngram Viewer diagram for more common x commoner.
The diagram clearly shows the more common is more frequently used
than commoner.
Oh I’ve difficulties with the link. So, please, start Google Ngram Viewer
and fill in: more common, commoner.

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Rogermue,

Welcome back!

Hope you come around more often.

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rogermue wrote:

Here’s the Google Ngram Viewer diagram for more common x commoner.
The diagram clearly shows the more common is more frequently used
than commoner.
Oh I’ve difficulties with the link. So, please, start Google Ngram Viewer
and fill in: more common, commoner.

I have written the link out for you to copy.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=more%20common%2Ccommoner&year_start=1800&year_end=2013&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cmore%20common%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ccommoner%3B%2Cc0

As a pattern, you can simplify this as (http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content={query}&year_start=1800&year_end=2013&corpus=15&smoothing=3). If you substitute 2 or more phrases (words) separated by commas for the part in green, you can access this search directly. Both Google Chrome and Firefox have the ability to store and manage such search patterns. Safari can do so with the Glims extension.

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Monday, December 9, 2013 12:17:43 AM

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Hi leonAzul,
many thanks for your help with the link. Don’t know why it didn’t work.
Normally I use the icon link (ball and chain in the top line of the window for
posting and fill in the URL-address in the pop-up window.
But in the case of Ngram Viewer (the address is very long)it didn’t work.

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Monday, December 9, 2013 12:32:36 AM

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rogermue wrote:

and there they are of the view that more common and most common
are used, even more frequently as it seems as the regular forms
common commoner commonest.
So I would say here we have an area of uncertainty, both forms
are used.

Thinking about this problem I come to understand it a little better.
As to two-syllable adjectives normal speakers of English don’t have
a list of endings in the head where the comparative forms use -er and -est.
So it is normal that sometimes uncertainty occurs and that the comparison
with more and most is preferred as it is more frequent.
And in the course of time the «wromg» forms get the better of the grammatical
forms.

You are quite right to put «wrong» in scare-quotes like that.

The trend has been to prefer the comparative endings «-er» and «-est» with single-syllable adjectives and words ending in «-y».

It might have to do with the rhythm of the language, or as you say, simplifying things—why memorize a number of endings when a single auxiliary word can transform an entire class of words?

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Monday, December 9, 2013 5:53:57 AM

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Well, definitely, I use ‘more often’ more often than I use ‘oftener’ (in fact, I don’t think I ever say ‘oftener’).

However, in trying to make up sentences for ‘common’, I ‘drift around’ from one to the other.

It may be something to do with rhythm as leon says, but I can’t recognise a pattern in my preferences. Perhaps I’m just being random.

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That’s really interesting to know, DragOn

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Well, whether they are used or not, or show up in n-grams or not I don’t use either. Academically, they are unacceptable in BE and — (yep! My big clincher!) the Oxford doesn’t recognise them. So I’ll stick in the mud on these two, I think.

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Your copy of the Oxford must not be up-to-date, I’m afraid. Boo hoo!

It’s on this page.

common ADJECTIVE
ˈkɒmən ; ˈkɑːmən

commoner, commonest
HELP more common and most common are more frequent

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Monday, December 9, 2013 1:54:29 PM

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From AE: neither oftener nor commoner—as more common—is used. In general, adjectives of more than one syllable form comparatives with ‘more’ and superlatives with ‘most’. Adjectives of only one syllable tend to use -er and -est.

Some two syllable words will add the suffix. Most of these end in -y. Occasionally -w endings (shallow, shallower) will also us suffixes, but for the most part two syllable adjectives will use ‘more’ and ‘most’. I cannot think of anything with three syllables that takes a suffix.

In adverbs, only one syllable words take the comparative suffixes. I can’t think of any adverb of two syllables that would do so.

(Commoner as a noun exists, referring to one who is

not of noble or royal heritage.)

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Well, for me it’s interesting to see that even two mother-tongue experts as Romany and Dragon are
of different view as to the use of ‘commoner’ and ‘more common’.
So this is really an area of uncertainty and there are a lot of such areas — in any language.

Seen etymologically, ‘more’ (my view, I didn’t look up dictionaries) is connected with Latin ‘maior’ meaning ‘bigger’.
So when someone uses ‘more expensive’ the original idea behind this is: something is expensive but in a bigger measure
compared with some other thing. The Latin expression probably was: in modo maiore — in a bigger meassure. This expression (I assume) could be placed before or after an adjective.

In English ‘more’ is related to Latin maior/maiore. maiore can easily be transformed into ‘more’ just be eliminating ‘ai’ from ‘maiore’.
I suppose there was a time in the history of the English language when ‘more’ could be placed before or after the adjective.
When placed behind an adjective ‘more’ soon melted together with the adjective: So common more became something like
common mer and then commoner.

So what I want so show so clumsily is that the idea behind ‘commoner’ or ‘more common’ is in principle the same.

I hope my lengthy explanation doesn’t deter too many readers from this forum.

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That’s a reasonable (not necessarily completely true) explanation!

I just thought of the possible reason for the ‘discrepancy’ in ‘common’.

Some of us/we lazier, slightly less formal people pronounce «commoner», the comparative, more like «commner» when it’s not stressed — so it
becomes like adding ‘-er’ to a one-syllable adjective:
Hot — hotter

good — gooder

Whistle
high — higher
commn — commner

So it’s possibly a spin-off from the drift towards simplification of the colloquial language.
If there’s a little more stress on the word, both syllables are pronounced equally, so it becomes ‘more common’. Maybe.Think

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Well, well, well — a fine dance you’ve led me upon, Drago. But its been very educational!

From time to time I’ve seen people onhgere saying they found something in the Oxford and have been completely stymied. The commoner/oftener were two cases in point.

With all due respect to Drago, I’ve always considered both to be …well…wrong.Sick I certainly would correct them in a student paper and, backing me up, the OED also draws up its skirts in horror as well. While Ruth attests to the fact that neither are in use in AE.

So when Drago said he’d found both I thought I was going nuts and went again and again to the OED both on-line and in hard-copy. Still no sign of the dratted words.

So eventually — being ever the dim bulb — I actually clicked on the link he had supplied (yeah! I know. D’uh!) and there they were….but then I realised that this wasn’t that august personage formulated by the British Philological Society…but the OALD, formulated by an English teacher and the British Council and with as fascinating, if shorter, a history as the OED.

So at last: all is revealed. I finally get it. All those usages that have totally stumped me when people have cited the Oxford as their source were, I guess, from the OALD, and not the OED.

OK, not going to bring it down to pistols at dawn with anyone as to which is the ‘best’. Simply making it clear that the ‘Oxford’ I continually refer to as the arbiter of whether or not to take marks away from students (or have marks taken away from myself!) is the OED, not the rather more forgiving OALD.

Mystery solvered. At last!!!Applause

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Now are these whistle blowers Whistle Whistle Whistle Whistle Whistle Whistle summoner than this poor one Whistle ?

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Romany is right, the ODE (at least in my edition: the third edition) does not give
any mention of forms such as more common, most common.
In my view I think they may be a bit too conservative.

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Now, let’s not get into politics in the language forums, leave it fir the political one! Whistle

Though Romany has been called a Liberal so much on the other side, she may be happy to be called a Conservative for a change! Whistle

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Well dagblast it, young’un. You got a point there, Sonny. ‘Bout time fer me to hang up mah tambourine, trade mah Jesus-sandals fer a pair o’slipper with purdy pom-poms on ’em, and mosey on down t’the Bingo Hall, I reckon.

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Tuesday, December 10, 2013 4:39:34 PM

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Hello Romany,
I think there are some words in your post that aren’t in the Oxford dictionary.

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Tuesday, December 10, 2013 4:43:47 PM

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Methinks that Madam Romany was using my inadvertent typographical error (‘fir’ instead of ‘for’)
as an excuse to ‘extract the urine’.
However her post was very funny!

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