The word love in british

Well it’s all based on the pronunciation of this one word (love), so it’s very relevant in this thread

Here

Are the two symbols being compared that with the examples «book» and «bud» ?

I open a new thread about it

I’m not sure why, but ok.
There are two ways to pronounce book, and I think we’re talking about these two vowel sounds for love.. where I am from there are two very different ways to say «oo»… but only one for ‘love’…

Love (bud) (same sound)

book (said like pp took and also like food)

You need to make sure you are understanding what I am saying, I only gave one example of ‘food’ and I said the way we say food, the vowel sound also exists in ‘book’. I’m referring to the ‘oo’ sound in food, some people here use this same vowel sound in ‘book’

I didn’t say «book, like tood & food«, I said «book, like took…. and differently, also like the way we say food«

To clarify, I don’t understand IPA so I’m not sure exactly what these vowel sounds are.
If you want to quote anyone and say it’s wrong, you should to Loob because she understands the IPA, I don’t !
I am trying to explain using other similar words.

I think you have to understand there are MANY different ways to say words in England, sometimes more than 4/5 depending on where you are from, I wouldn’t correct any native that knows IPA if they tell you something.

So you mean that pronounciation varies from one side an another…

I have the sensation that my English books and dictionaries aren´t true at all

Yeah, even in areas like mine Liverpool…….. me and my Dad have different ways of saying book / cook …
They are ‘notorious’ examples though, I’d suggest asking for RP pronunciation, and learning that, but other examples are not wrong, just different

International Phonetic Alphabet… this: /lʌv/

Why, for example, the word ‘Surrey’ which have the same sound as ‘love’ sounds more like ‘sorry’ then? I checked a few dictionaries and all of them, and this website above also, for my ear have the sound which seems to be slightly different than that in ‘love’…

It sounds the same because it’s virtually spelt the same, the difference between the words is the vowel sound, which is the one we use for ‘love’ as well..

What makes it sound like Surrey are consonants, not the vowel sounds.

I´ve looked up my dictionaries and it´s

only

written /lʌv/

If your dictionary represents British English pronunciation, then it likely includes only the version with /lʌv/ because that is how the word sounds in Received Pronunciation (RP), the prestige accent in Great Britain.

If your dictionary represents American English pronunciation, then it likely includes only the version with /lʌv/ because all American accents have that as the pronunciation. If there is an American accent which gives the word another pronunciation, I am unaware of it.

There are lots of American ways to pronounce the vowel in love, but they are all allophones of the same phoneme (like the vowel of bud). I have heard something like /lɔːv/ and something like /lɒv/, but usually the vowel will be unrounded or followed by a schwa.

Actually, if you pronounce /lɔːv/ and /lɒv/ without lip rounding, you get something very similar to an American accent and fairly similar to a British accent, respectively. I have heard singers turn the /v/ into almost a /w/, so it is not hard to imagine a singer coming out with /lɔːv/ or /lɒv/.

Did you hear these pronunciations in a song?

As far as I know, there are two main BrE pronunciations of «love»:

RP (and other southern English dialects of BrE) /l?v/
Northern English dialects of BrE:/l?v/

Actually there are three, and the one you don’t mention is rapidly gaining ground. I don’t know IPA either, but would best describe is as a kind of emphatic schwah. Found in Wales, North-East England, and most of the Midlands.

Not just ‘love’, of course, but all the short ‘u’ sounds, as in ‘bus’, ‘cup’ etc. (but not ‘put’)

In this pronunciation ‘love’ rhymes with r.p. ‘perv’ (short for pevert), i.e. where the ‘r’ is not pronounced.

You need to remember that dictionaries do not record all possible pronunciations.

That happens because in dictionaries what we have is phonological transcription, not phonetic. A phonetic transcription is a specific transcription which describes a specific pronunciation, like the examples everyone gave. Phonological transcription is a generalization and does not consider variation — that’s why you will only find one example in the dictionary. Usually, phonological transcription is written between slashes (/…/) while phonetic transcription is written between […] (brackets??).

There are, though, dictionaries that use phonetic transcriptions, choosing the pronunciation of a certain region. As an example, I have a French/Portuguese Portuguese/French dictionary which, for the words in Portuguese, describes their pronunciation as that of Rio de Janeiro speakers (which differs is several sounds from that of the speakers of the place where I live).

Forero,

«Did you hear these pronunciations in a song?»

No, I heard in the site: www.forvo.com

Wilma,

«If anyone knows of a similar site for US dialects, please let me know!»

www.forvo.com