Is the word few an adjectives

a cooperator


  • #1

Hi,
In this example below «few» is an ddjective:
Her few decent clothes were now dirty . If «few» is used as adjective, what kind of adjective is the opposite of it here?
However I am quite confused when it is used as a determiner and adjective? Such as,
Very

few of the books

were new.
I have got fewer problems than I used to have.
At th colleage reunions, there are

fewer of us

each year.

Finally: I have read that:The few can be used as a noun phrase: Private schools are for the privileged few.

As a result I can say»The few» is a noun phrase or determiner modifies «people» in this example:

The few people

I have asked thought the same as I do.

Last edited: Dec 26, 2011

  • Andygc


    • #2

    Finally: I have read that:The few can be used as a noun phrase: Private schools are for the privileged few.

    As a result I can say»The few» is a noun phrase or determiner modifies «people» in this example:

    The few people

    I have asked thought the same as I do.

    It is a little difficult to know how many questions you are asking, but to take this one … I presume that you mean «Can I say that The few is a noun phrase …?» The answer is no, because if you did you would be wrong.

    In the few people, few is an adjective. It is a distinctly different usage from few used as a noun.
    The people, the tall people, the white people, the English people, the few people — all adjectives modifying people.

    The few is not a noun phrase, it is a noun with a definite article.
    The few, the many, the short, the tall, the English, the whites — all nouns which have related adjectives.

    Pertinax


    • #3

    Hi,
    In this example below «few» is an adjective:
    Her few decent clothes were now dirty . «few» used as adjective
    However I am quite confused when it is used as a determiner and adjective? Such as,
    Very

    few of the books

    were new. determiner «very few» acting as noun-phrase, followed by complement «of the books»
    I have got fewer problems than I used to have. inflected determinative «fewer» used as determiner
    At the college reunions, there are

    fewer of us

    each year. «fewer» acting as noun-phrase, followed by complement «of us»

    Finally: I have read that:The few can be used as a noun phrase: Private schools are for the privileged few. «few» acting as noun

    As a result I can say»The few» is a noun phrase or determiner modifies «people» in this example:

    The few people

    I have asked thought the same as I do. «few» used as adjective

    There are several different (and conflicting) grammatical explanations for these constructions. I have tried to use terms that you would be familiar with. The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language, for example, would describe «fewer of us» as an explicit partitive fused determiner-head construction. I have used their analysis, but expressed it in different terms.

    PaulQ


    • #4

    Hi,
    In this example below «few» is an ddjective:

    Few is always an adjective.

    Her few decent clothes were now dirty . If «few» is used as adjective, what kind of adjective is the opposite of it here?

    many.

    • #5

    Few is always an adjective.

    Few would deny in this sentence it is a noun ;)

    (Just for clarity, besides this usage, I agree!)

    PaulQ


    • #6

    OED sees it only as an adjective — despite there being examples dating back to c.900AD, there is no entry for few as a noun.

    b. absol. = few persons. 1822 Shelley Hellas 11 «Few dare, and few who dare Win the desired communion.»
    f. the few: a specified company small in number; often with qualifying adj. Now often = ‘the minority’; opposed to the many. 1875 B. Jowett tr. Plato Dialogues (ed. 2) III. 183 «A life not for the many, but for the few.»

    Your move… ;)

    • #8

    Few would deny in this sentence it is a noun ;)

    Personally, I would take the noun-phrase to be implicitly ‘Few people’ (or ‘Few English-speaking people’). ‘People’ is omitted leaving only ‘Few’ but that does not make ‘few’ a noun, in mind ( :confused: ?) at least!

    • #9

    Even harder examples could be:
    ‘They sacrificed the many to save the few
    «The few that came to the party were bored witless.»

    PaulQ


    • #10

    http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/few (Oxford) — a noble and unique acceptable exception when capitalised:

    noun
    … (the Few) British the RAF pilots who took part in the Battle of Britain. [alluding to a speech of Sir Winston Churchill (20 August, 1940)]

    Dictionaries that don’t. OED.

    Back in the 60s when I started French at school, much was made of the ability, in French, to take any adjective in the plural and stick a «le/la — un/une» in front of it and develop a class or adjectival. (le jeune, les jeunes) The adjective, thus produced, is declined; the same in German. At the time this construction was possible but not as universal in the UK but we have since accepted it.

    Having seen your comment, I looked at few in the OED and was surprised that there was no noun entry, but the more I thought about it, the more justified it became. I assume that the logic is that few is always followed by a noun and even if it is unspoken, the audience will insert their own.

    • #11

    I suppose you could make the same argument with «some», as they are virtually equal in the interpretation of being the same part of speech (with just the inherent meaning of slightly more than ‘few’). I have never come across anyone or any source that hasn’t, however, described «some» as being a noun/pronoun as well as a quantifier (like ‘some’), fitting into the broader concept of ‘adjective’ in the ‘traditional analysis’ (not considered as such in modern theory).

    Regarding the part you quoted, you coincidentally missed off the part above the RAF entry:

    (as plural noun the few)
    the minority of people; the elect:

    Let’s add the Cambridge Dictionary of English to the list that supports the noun/pronoun stance:

    few
    determiner pronoun (SOME)

    PaulQ


    • #12

    …Regarding the part you quoted, you coincidentally missed off the part above the RAF entry:
    (as plural noun the few)
    the minority of people; the elect:

    Of course I did. I’m surprised you mention it. This use is covered in my post #6 in the similar quote (as an adjective) from OED (which you singularly failed to quote :D)

    Let’s add the Cambridge Dictionary of English to the list that supports the noun/pronoun stance:

    You puny efforts will not overcome the power of the OED. :thumbsup: :D

    • #13

    OED, like all giants, is also fallible at times :D

    a cooperator


    • #14

    OED, like all giants, is also fallible at times :D

    But please could you enlighten me about whether the determiner is adjective? Because I’m quite surprised because I noticed Pual said that «Few is always an adjective.» I am an non English native speaker and I have never ever come across that «few/ a few» as an adjective except in this example:Her few decent clothes were now dirty.
    I see the discussion was far too long, however, there were far too many contradictions.:mad:

    Last edited: Dec 26, 2011

    Loob


    • #15

    But please could you enlighten me about whether the determiner is adjective? Because I’m quite surprised because I noticed Pual said that «Few is always an adjective.» I am an non English native speaker and I have never ever come across that «few/ a few» as an adjective except in this example:Her few decent clothes were now dirty.
    I see the discussion was far too long, however, there was far too many contradictions.:mad:

    There are two separate but related problems, a cooperator….

    First, different people use different terminology.

    And second, «determiner» is a relatively new concept in English linguistic description: some dictionaries still don’t use it.

    Personally, I find Pertinax’s post 3 extremely helpful: it explains things in the terminology you’re using:).

    Last edited: Dec 26, 2011

    a cooperator


    • #16

    But please I have read that «few» in this example is used as an adjective «Her few decent clothes were now dirty» . If «few» is used as adjective, will «more» be the opposite adjective of it here?

    • #17

    But please I have read that «few» in this example is used as an adjective «Her few decent clothes were now dirty» . If «few» is used as adjective, will «more» be the opposite adjective of it here?

    No! Hint: See Paul’s answer in post #4!

    a cooperator


    • #18

    No! Hint: See Paul’s answer in post #4!

    But I am quite completely disagree with «Few is always an adjective.» However, it is determiner, prounoun or adjecitve in this example:»Her few decent clothes were now dirty»
    Few can be used in the following ways:
    as a determiner (followed by a plural noun): Few people live there now. ♦ There were a few animals in the barn.
    as a pronoun: Many have tried, but few have succeeded. ♦ There were a few who refused to go. (followed by ‘of’): A few of the visitors left early. ♦ Few of the pictures are any good.
    The few can be used as a noun phrase: Private schools are for the privileged few.
    Few can be used as an adjective: Her few decent clothes were now dirty.

    • #19

    You didn’t read the second half — it has the answer to your specific question
    Your question:

    Her few decent clothes were now dirty . If «few» is used as adjective, what kind of adjective is the opposite of it here?

    His answer

    a cooperator


    • #20

    You didn’t read the second half — it has the answer to your specific question
    Your question: His answer

    Yes but you didn’t answer whether «few» is an adjective ot not.

    If yes and «many» is the opposite of it, Could you possibly make that a little more obvious because whenenver my eyes have been seen the word «many» followed with a plural noun I thought it as a diterminer, for example, He said goodbye to his

    many friends.

    • #21

    I wasn’t claiming to have answered your question. I was just pointing out that ONE of your questions had already been answered but you had apparently missed it and were asking it again.

    I personally don’t use the term determiner in a way that excludes a word that functions as an adjective. In fact, determiner is a new term to me since I joined the forum. You are asking about whether word X is a determiner or an adjective. Can you explain to me what those terms mean to you? (I think others would benefit from knowing exactly how you use them — see Loob’s comment in #15 about different people using different terminology).

    There are many shirts in the drawer. (This tells us about the number of shirts, and some apparently refer to this quality as that of a «determiner». However, the word many «modifies» the noun «shirts» — some use that as the definition of an adjective)
    There are red clothes in the drawer. (This provides some descriptive information — the word «red» modifies the noun «shirts»).

    a cooperator


    • #22

    I wasn’t claiming to have answered your question. I was just pointing out that ONE of your questions had already been answered but you had apparently missed it and were asking it again.

    I personally don’t use the term determiner in a way that excludes a word that functions as an adjective. In fact, determiner is a new term to me since I joined the forum. You are asking about whether word X is a determiner or an adjective. Can you explain to me what those terms mean to you? (I think others would benefit from knowing exactly how you use them — see Loob’s comment in #15 about different people using different terminology).

    There are many shirts in the drawer. (This tells us about the number of shirts, and some apparently refer to this quality as that of a «determiner». However, the word many «modifies» the noun «shirts» — some use that as the definition of an adjective)
    There are red clothes in the drawer. (This provides some descriptive information — the word «red» modifies the noun «shirts»).

    Yes, but I have been taught that ‘(A)few X many» (a)littel X much are used to compare quantities as a determiner and should come after them a plural noun .
    As a result, when I come across» He said goodbye to his

    many friends

    . I don’t think that many here is an adjective why? because the the rule has been achieved.

    However here:»Her [few/many] decent clothes were now dirty» I quite agree that «many and few» are an adjective. Why? because I think «few/many» are adjecitve that modifies «decent» and not modify the noun»clothes»

    I hope you understand and appreciate my difficulties. I am an non English native speaker and live in EN where the E isn’t widely spoken so I get confused with far too many contradictions.

    Last edited: Dec 27, 2011

    • #23

    I hope you understand and appreciate my difficulties. I am an non English native speaker and live in EN where the E isn’t widely spoken so I get confused with far too many contradictions.

    I understand your difficulties and am happy I do not have to learn English as a second language. However, there are a lot of terms used to teach learners about parts lof speech (determiners etc) that are not known by many «native» speakers because we were not taught that way. So I have difficulty understanding some of these terms and the exact meanings they carry. Then, different teaching systems may have different sets of descriptions , so I hope you understand my difficulties in understanding your questions sometimes.

    However here:»Her [few/many] decent clothes were now dirty» I quite agree that «many and few» are an adjective. Why? because I think «few/many» are adjecitve that modifies «decent» and not modify the noun»clothes»

    I disagree that [few/many] modifies the adjective before clothes. I think that «decent clothes» still functions as a noun phrase and [few/many] describes/determines the noun phrase. Whether or not we omit the «decent», the few modifies clothes — that’s why some regard it as an adjective.

    a cooperator


    • #25

    As long as «few» is a determiner when it is followed by a noun plural, when I judge that «few» is a adjective.

    In addtion, as far as I know that «little» use as a determiner when it is followed by an uncountable noun, however, an adjective when it is followed by a contable noun.
    As a result, as long as «few» use a determiner when it is followed by a countable noun, when it is used as an adjective????:confused:

    Last edited: Dec 27, 2011

    Andygc


    • #26

    Dictionaries that don’t. OED.

    Odd, given that the Concise Oxford English Dictionary does.

    few
    > determiner, pronoun, & adjective
    1 (a few) a small number of.
    2 not many.

    > noun [as plural noun the few] a select minority. ->(the Few) British the RAF pilots who took part in the Battle of Britain.

    Distinguishing clearly between the few and the Few.

    I fail to understand how anybody can argue that few is always an adjective — the same applies to many, tall, angry and many other words that are usually adjectives but which may be used as nouns.

    The tall often hit their heads on door frames.
    The angry shout and curse.
    The few travel by taxi, the many by bus. (NB, the many also features as a noun in the COED)
    The poor starve, the rich wallow in luxury.

    These are all plural nouns and there is no requirement for there to be an implicit «people» — for example, we could not write the few people travel by taxi — it would be few people travel by taxi, and would have a different meaning.

    a cooperator


    • #27

    Odd, given that the Concise Oxford English Dictionary does.

    few
    > determiner, pronoun, & adjective
    1 (a few) a small number of.
    2 not many.

    > noun [as plural noun the few] a select minority. ->(the Few) British the RAF pilots who took part in the Battle of Britain.

    Distinguishing clearly between the few and the Few.

    I fail to understand how anybody can argue that few is always an adjective — the same applies to many, tall, angry and many other words that are usually adjectives but which may be used as nouns.

    The tall often hit their heads on door frames.
    The angry shout and curse.
    The few travel by taxi, the many by bus. (NB, the many also features as a noun in the COED)
    The poor starve, the rich wallow in luxury.

    I am quite awfully sorry because I sill haven’t been getting my answer:

    As long as «few» is a determiner when it is followed by a noun plural, when I judge that «few» is a adjective.

    In addtion, as far as I know that «little» use as a determiner when it is followed by an uncountable noun, however, an adjective when it is followed by a contable noun.
    As a result, as long as «few» use a determiner when it is followed by a countable noun, when it is used as an adjective????:confused:

    These are all plural nouns and there is no requirement for there to be an implicit «people» — for example, we could not write the few people travel by taxi — it would be few people travel by taxi, and would have a different meaning.

    But I have read this sentence in the Oxford Dictionary: «

    The few

    people who I asked thought the same as I do.» I think here «the few» is noun phrase»​

    Loob


    • #28

    A cooperator, you appear to be getting many of your examples from the Macmillan dictionary: here are its entries for «few» and «many».

    In the entry for «many», it says:

    Many can be used in the following ways:
    […]
    as an adjective (after a word such as ‘the’, ‘his’, or ‘these’, and followed by a noun): He said goodbye to his many friends.

    In the entry for «few», it says:

    Few can be used as an adjective: Her few decent clothes were now dirty.

    I deduce, from looking at the two entries, that the dictionary sees «few» as being used as an adjective in the same situations in which it sees «many» as being used as an adjective ie «after a word such as ‘the’, ‘his’, or ‘these’, and followed by a noun».

    Not everyone would agree
    with this. Many people would see «many» in He said goodbye to his many friends and «few» in Her few decent clothes were now dirty as determiners.

    If you prefer to see them as determiners, that’s fine:).

    Last edited: Dec 27, 2011

    PaulQ


    • #29

    I fail to understand how anybody can argue that few is always an adjective

    The OED can be contacted and asked. This is how they argue.

    Quick search resultsShowing 1-2 of 2 results in 1 entries
    • Date
    1. few, adj. c825
    …Not many; amounting to a small number. Often preceded by but, †full, so, too, very, †well….
    2. few in few, adj. view full entry a 1300
    with ellipsis of n. Often followed by of. Also absol. a few persons; occas. with an adj., as a faithful few, a select few,…

    My emphasis

    Andygc


    • #30

    The OED can be contacted and asked. This is how they argue.My emphasis
    2. few in few, adj. view full entry a 1300
    with ellipsis of n. Often followed by of. Also absol. a few persons; occas. with an adj., as a faithful few, a select few,…

    Whereas I am specifically saying there is no ellipsis in examples such as the few travel by taxi, the many travel by bus. That cannot be written the few people travel by taxi, the many people travel by bus. There is no ellipsis in my example and the usage is exactly that described by the COED as few and many being nouns. This is quite different from few travel by taxi, where there is an ellipsis — few people travel by taxi — but a distinctly different meaning from the few travel by taxi.

    By the way, I do not understand how the OED can be contacted and asked. Do you mean «if you happen to subscribe to the OED you can look up content on line»?

    a cooperator said:

    But I have read this sentence in the Oxford Dictionary: «

    The few

    people who I asked thought the same as I do.» I think here «the few» is noun phrase»

    No the few here is not a noun phrase!! The noun is people, and the definite article belongs with it — the people few is an adjective describing which people — the few people you asked not the many people you did not ask. It is no different from The young people who I asked … The old people who I asked … The angry people who I asked … etc.

    PaulQ


    • #31

    By the way, I do not understand how the OED can be contacted and asked. Do you mean «if you happen to subscribe to the OED you can look up content on line»?

    No, you don’t have to be a subscriber to ask questions about content. http://www.oed.com/public/contactus/loginpage In the past, I have queried entries and have always received a reply.

    For my part, I can see the reasoning that they are using. Obviously, I see that other dictionaries do not agree. It is thus a matter of choice as to whose explanation one accepts.

    Andygc


    • #32

    @ PaulQ. Thanks for that link. A bit of a problem deciding who to believe if the Oxford dictionaries don’t agree among themselves!

    PaulQ


    • #33

    From what I’ve seen, the OED is quite conservative to say the least; I see it as a fully-laden supertanker as far as any change is concerned. I have a copy of the first COED 1911, and that too says adj, and n. but is not clear in its examples and leaves the reader to decipher which, if any, is which.

    In the following sentence what is the word few:

    I thought about the question for a few moments?

    Adjective, noun or what?

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    In that sentence, it is an adjective.

    Adj. 1. few — a quantifier that can be used with count nouns and is often preceded by `a’; a small but indefinite number; «a few weeks ago»; «a few more wagons than usual»

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    In the following sentence what is the word few:

    I thought about the question for a few moments?

    Adjective, noun or what?

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    In that sentence, it is an adjective.

    Adj. 1. few – a quantifier that can be used with count nouns and is often preceded by `a’; a small but indefinite number; “a few weeks ago”; “a few more wagons than usual”

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    • Moreover, the few means the minority of people or the elect.

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