Is deprecated a word

There are a lot of abbreviations used in the database, especially in the description of each channel and are not at all understandable. Some descriptions just mirror the tag, which, of course, has to be abbreviated. Where do these abbreviations come from? If someone finds out how a frequency is being used why do they enter abbreviations that are not understandable? The description column has enough space to have these abbreviations spelled out so there isn’t a need for them.

People use too many abbreviations when writing posts, but at least we have the opportunity to ask them what the heck they mean. For the database we don’t have this opportunity.

I have a bit of a problem with the use of the word «deprecated» as it is a computer science word. Although the word has some uses and definitions outside computer science it use is rare. I have seen several people try to use the word in posts and they misspell it with «depreciated» being the most frequent of these, and have even observed «decapitated!» The problem is not just the incorrect spelling, it is that so many people don’t even know the definition of the word. I’ve seen the word «deprecated» misspelled in the database and if I didn’t know the definition and proper use of the word, I would not be able to understand what is being conveyed. I Google search of the misspelled word does not result in the computer science definition of the word.

Deprecated really means «obsolete, don’t use anymore.» I had to look up the word when I first saw it as I had not seen it in my life up to that point. People who work in computer science have a language all their own and it is not one that is very well understood by people outside that profession. I have noticed that computer professionals often don’t communicate very well, leading to those infamous software instructions that no one understands.

Why can’t the word «obsolete» be used rather than the esoteric word «deprecated?» This is not a site of computer professionals trading tips.

Clear, easily interpreted words should be in use. Abbreviations and «deprecated» don’t accomplish that.

There are a lot of abbreviations used in the database, especially in the description of each channel and are not at all understandable. Some descriptions just mirror the tag, which, of course, has to be abbreviated. Where do these abbreviations come from? If someone finds out how a frequency is being used why do they enter abbreviations that are not understandable? The description column has enough space to have these abbreviations spelled out so there isn’t a need for them.

People use too many abbreviations when writing posts, but at least we have the opportunity to ask them what the heck they mean. For the database we don’t have this opportunity.

I have a bit of a problem with the use of the word «deprecated» as it is a computer science word. Although the word has some uses and definitions outside computer science it use is rare. I have seen several people try to use the word in posts and they misspell it with «depreciated» being the most frequent of these, and have even observed «decapitated!» The problem is not just the incorrect spelling, it is that so many people don’t even know the definition of the word. I’ve seen the word «deprecated» misspelled in the database and if I didn’t know the definition and proper use of the word, I would not be able to understand what is being conveyed. I Google search of the misspelled word does not result in the computer science definition of the word.

Deprecated really means «obsolete, don’t use anymore.» I had to look up the word when I first saw it as I had not seen it in my life up to that point. People who work in computer science have a language all their own and it is not one that is very well understood by people outside that profession. I have noticed that computer professionals often don’t communicate very well, leading to those infamous software instructions that no one understands.

Why can’t the word «obsolete» be used rather than the esoteric word «deprecated?» This is not a site of computer professionals trading tips.

Clear, easily interpreted words should be in use. Abbreviations and «deprecated» don’t accomplish that.

I somewhat agree with this. Perhaps the term «expired» would be good. Coming from a CS / ECE background, I still consider deprecated a poor term for what it actually means in CS anyway. However, I do like the idea of people learning new words, too; for instance: how many people are about to look up «esoteric»? Haha

But yes, I think this would be a good place to start a healthy discussion on a term change. Again, I toss my vote in for expired (simply meaning invalid / out of date). Obsolete is good, too, however I have come across some terms labeled «deprecated» that are actually still in use (though in a very limited way, like emergency backup), which technically wouldn’t make them obsolete by definition.

Just my $0.02.

With regards to descriptions can you give an example of something you don’t understand? The DB Admin guide has a standard set of abbreviations we are supposed to use.
Like it or not, abbreviations are nescessary due to scanners limiting the display field.

There are a lot of abbreviations used in the database, especially in the description of each channel and are not at all understandable. Some descriptions just mirror the tag, which, of course, has to be abbreviated. Where do these abbreviations come from? If someone finds out how a frequency is being used why do they enter abbreviations that are not understandable? The description column has enough space to have these abbreviations spelled out so there isn’t a need for them.

People use too many abbreviations when writing posts, but at least we have the opportunity to ask them what the heck they mean. For the database we don’t have this opportunity.

I have a bit of a problem with the use of the word «deprecated» as it is a computer science word. Although the word has some uses and definitions outside computer science it use is rare. I have seen several people try to use the word in posts and they misspell it with «depreciated» being the most frequent of these, and have even observed «decapitated!» The problem is not just the incorrect spelling, it is that so many people don’t even know the definition of the word. I’ve seen the word «deprecated» misspelled in the database and if I didn’t know the definition and proper use of the word, I would not be able to understand what is being conveyed. I Google search of the misspelled word does not result in the computer science definition of the word.

Deprecated really means «obsolete, don’t use anymore.» I had to look up the word when I first saw it as I had not seen it in my life up to that point. People who work in computer science have a language all their own and it is not one that is very well understood by people outside that profession. I have noticed that computer professionals often don’t communicate very well, leading to those infamous software instructions that no one understands.

Why can’t the word «obsolete» be used rather than the esoteric word «deprecated?» This is not a site of computer professionals trading tips.

Clear, easily interpreted words should be in use. Abbreviations and «deprecated» don’t accomplish that.

I have a bit of a problem with the use of the word «deprecated» as it is a computer science word. Although the word has some uses and definitions outside computer science it use is rare. I have seen several people try to use the word in posts and they misspell it with «depreciated» being the most frequent of these, and have even observed «decapitated!» The problem is not just the incorrect spelling, it is that so many people don’t even know the definition of the word. I’ve seen the word «deprecated» misspelled in the database and if I didn’t know the definition and proper use of the word, I would not be able to understand what is being conveyed. I Google search of the misspelled word does not result in the computer science definition of the word.

Deprecated really means «obsolete, don’t use anymore.» I had to look up the word when I first saw it as I had not seen it in my life up to that point. People who work in computer science have a language all their own and it is not one that is very well understood by people outside that profession. I have noticed that computer professionals often don’t communicate very well, leading to those infamous software instructions that no one understands.

Why can’t the word «obsolete» be used rather than the esoteric word «deprecated?» This is not a site of computer professionals trading tips.

Clear, easily interpreted words should be in use. Abbreviations and «deprecated» don’t accomplish that.

Obsolete generally indicates that something is old, no longer in use, and should be avoided. Expired means out of date and no longer able to be used. Deprecated, on the other hand, indicates that something is old and while may still be in use should be moved away from when practical. Two very different concepts. Many of the frequencies flagged as deprecated are often still licensed and although may not be in regular use, are still in place as a back-up (or even as a back-up to a back-up).

One such example was demonstrated by the person giving me a tour of their EOC. Among the various radios in their racks were ones for their existing state-wide trunked system, ones for their recently discontinued VHF-Hi frequencies, and one old radio for their very old (but still licensed) VHF-Low frequency.

When I asked him about that radio he smiled and said it still worked but is only used on very rare occasions. I asked how often that was and he said «About once every other decade or so». He then admitted that he used to use that radio to play remote chess with his counterpart in an adjacent county up until that person retired a couple of years ago. He then chuckled and stated that it really wasn’t used for playing, but in reality, the chess game was simply the situation they used for their twice weekly «tests of the backup radio system». He then showed me the logs to «prove it».

I somewhat agree with this. Perhaps the term «expired» would be good. Coming from a CS / ECE background, I still consider deprecated a poor term for what it actually means in CS anyway. However, I do like the idea of people learning new words, too; for instance: how many people are about to look up «esoteric»? Haha

But yes, I think this would be a good place to start a healthy discussion on a term change. Again, I toss my vote in for expired (simply meaning invalid / out of date). Obsolete is good, too, however I have come across some terms labeled «deprecated» that are actually still in use (though in a very limited way, like emergency backup), which technically wouldn’t make them obsolete by definition.

Just my $0.02.

You come from a «CS / ECE» background? We are talking about abbreviations that are not clear. I don’t have any idea of what «ECE» means and am guessing that «CS» means «computer science.» I’ve received private messages from people who don’t want to look stupid by asking in a post, so they ask me what some abbreviations mean. These are usually people who are new to the hobby or the site.

People who use abbreviations remind me of how difficult it is to speak with someone from the military. Somehow they think you know what their overwhelming number of abbreviations mean. «Well I was TDY, working in the OM on the CAS when the CO reminded me that the BOQ was full.» At that point I usually stop them and say that if they really want me to know what they are saying they will have to repeat that in English. They usually look at me with a «you should know what I’m saying dummy» look of annoyance.

One should never assume that everyone knows what an abbreviations means. That is why the correct method of introducing an abbreviation is to write it in full, followed by the definition, for example, the Operations and Maintenance (O & M) staff at the Dallas Facility (DF) reports to the Assistant Chief of O & M (ACOM). Newspaper articles are written this way as are scientific papers. I’ve read some newspaper articles where someone edited out the abbreviation explanation, making the rest of it incomprehensible.

Some abbreviations are common, such as «HQ,» «PD» and «FD.» The problem with other abbreviations is you can’t find the meaning with a Google search. Sometimes I don’t have time to look them up so I just stop reading the post.

I have a background in science, worked in the forestry profession and for an agency that has its own lingo. When I gave campfire talks and spoke to groups such as at schools, in public meetings and the like, I had to remember who my audience was. I then adjusted my words to fit the audience. We have to keep in mind our audience, which consists of people from a large number of professions and job backgrounds as well as a lot of beginners, some who may not even have a Radio Reference account. The latter may be deciding whether they want to take up the hobby. If they get overwhelmed with abbreviations they might just conclude that they are not interested.

Obsolete generally indicates that something is old, no longer in use, and should be avoided. Expired means out of date and no longer able to be used. Deprecated, on the other hand, indicates that something is old and while may still be in use should be moved away from when practical. Two very different concepts. Many of the frequencies flagged as deprecated are often still licensed and although may not be in regular use, are still in place as a back-up (or even as a back-up to a back-up).

One such example was demonstrated by the person giving me a tour of their EOC. Among the various radios in their racks were ones for their existing state-wide trunked system, ones for their recently discontinued VHF-Hi frequencies, and one old radio for their very old (but still licensed) VHF-Low frequency.

When I asked him about that radio he smiled and said it still worked but is only used on very rare occasions. I asked how often that was and he said «About once every other decade or so». He then admitted that he used to use that radio to play remote chess with his counterpart in an adjacent county up until that person retired a couple of years ago. He then chuckled and stated that it really wasn’t used for playing, but in reality, the chess game was simply the situation they used for their twice weekly «tests of the backup radio system». He then showed me the logs to «prove it».

The fine points of difference you are explaining are lost on me. Why? Because the dictionary definition of «deprecated» do not reflect what you are saying. The Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary defines the word to mean: 1) a archaic to pray against evil, b to seek to avert 2) to express disapproval of 3) a PLAY DOWN make little of, b BELITTLE, DISPARAGE.

The computer science (CS) definition is found only when an online search is done. The meaning in that context is then explained in Wikipedia as: «Deprecation is a status applied to a computer software feature, characteristic, or practice indicating it should be avoided, typically because of it being superseded.» Again this definition is primarily known by those in the computer profession, not the public as a whole.

Here is an example from the forestry profession. A forester speaking to a group of people concerned with the management of forests might speak in professional terms, saying «the average DBH of the overstory is 39″, with a range of 12″ to 56.» This results in a component in the overstory that is not of sawtimber size that has a 18″ DBH minimum, but can be utilized for pulp or firewood, depending on the proximity of mills that can realize a profit from the full range of wood products.» The forester will not communicate with the audience with those words. It would be better to say it this way, «the tallest trees are big enough in diameter to make lumber and nearby lumber mills to make money cutting them. With an average of 39″, 4 x 4’s, 6 x 6’s and even larger can be made and those bigger posts sell for more, which more than makes up for the trees that are smaller than average. Trees smaller than 12» in diameter cannot be cut into lumber, even for 2 x 4’s, and make a profit . Those trees can be used for pulpwood, the material that paper is made from, or be used for firewood if the demand for it exists in the local area. If a paper mill or the demand for firewood are too far away money can’t be made because trucking the trees costs more than those products bring in.

The point of the example is that writing or speaking for the audience involved is necessary, and should not address just the profession of the writer. We are not all computer experts on the site. In fact, it took me a number of years on this website to figure out how to post pictures. The instructions are not clear and neither is the thread that explains it. Computer science people, on average, don’t communicate well with those outside the profession. They often don’t write software that is easy for a novice to use. The joke about Microsoft instructions involving a helicopter flying over Seattle applies to more than that company as evidenced by industry wide products. The definition you posted works for a person in the computer profession nicely as that term is used frequently in that field, but the audience here has probably never heard or read the word. I consider myself well read with a pretty good vocabulary and write as well as a person with my education should, am 62 years old, but I’d never run across «deprecated» before. When I did I avoided looking it up as I was in a hurry to get a large scanner program written so I brushed the task aside for awhile.

People in the electronics profession sometimes answer questions from those of us that aren’t using terms common in that field. If I have time I will look up the definition, but that doesn’t always result in the way the writer is using it.

A better term than «deprecated» needs to be used. I don’t know if that should be «superseded,» «no longer used,» «licensed but rarely used or just «rarely used.» Most of the time the licenses are either terminated or allowed to expire. When a write a file for my scanners I would look at rarely used (a term Gene Hughes used in his «Police Call» directories) and do one of the following. First, I may not put it in at all as there are higher priorities for memory space. If I’m not hearing everything I think is being used on an incident I will then do a limit search or use close call to find what is in use. I may look the agency up on the database and put any frequencies I don’t have into the scanner. Second, if I have the memory space, I will include the rarely used frequencies when I’m on the computer, but lock them out. If I don’t hear everything I think I should then I unlock them on the radio, an easier task than searching or entering them.

I miss the Police Call books. Those books and many local directories, especially the Scannerstuff directories were far more informative than our database. They not only contained far more information, it was easier to use. Those of us that understand radio systems and what pertinent information such as unit identifier systems need to keep working to improve both the database and the wiki.

I will relate an experience I had with a «computer type» I had when I first purchased my GRE-600s. I was a bit confused with the model’s operation and called GRE America. I told the person there that when I wrote a program I was having difficulty with such and such. His reply was to ask if I was really writing code attempting to modify its operation and he was alarmed, telling me that such was not possible . To him a program is code that operates the device. To a scanner owner, as evidenced by the discussions on this website, a program is the list of frequencies one enters into the scanner. Now I often say «I’m writing a file» instead. That GRE America computer type was not speaking to his audience.

I agree over all about the word

«deprecated». It was a new word for me too, so I Googled it and learned a new word. No big deal. The use of abbreviated words/sentences, well that’s life and I don’t own this website, so I learn something new all the time. The site owner and the mods do a great job of keeping it together and letting us get information here.

The word «deprecated» is not defined in the Merriam Webster dictionary in the copy next to my desk. The Oxford English dictionary, considered by most as the definitive source source of English words, does not show the computer science definition of the the word. Some of the results of an online search show the computer science definition.

During my career I wrote brochures, text for maps, worked with book authors, worked in a visitor center, designed and installed signs, drove patrol, and gave presentations to a wide scope of audiences. My college degree required six units of technical/scientific writing. I received additional communications and writing training during my career. The statement «AVOID PROFESSIONAL JARGON» is used in all the training I listed.

Most of these items could be added to the «Glossary».

The volume of undefined abbreviations is huge. Some of the terms are specific to a jurisdiction, a county or a state. The real solution is to have the abbreviation explained or not use abbreviations at all in the description column. People should not have to access the Wiki and look through an alphabetical list of terms, which would become tens of times more lengthy than it is now if all these abbreviations were put there.