We were staying at the most expensive hotel in town. But, even so, there were no toilet rolls in the washroom.
I was struck by the use of ‘even so’ in the above sentence. Is it correct? Shouldn’t it be more like: The hotel room didn’t have much amenities, but, even so, it had the best view in town.
asked Sep 26, 2013 at 6:43
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Why do you think the use of even so in the first sentence is incorrect? It means ‘in spite of this fact’. It’s because the hotel was the most expensive in town that the writer expected the washroom to be appropriately provisioned.
In your second sentence, incidentally, it would be normal to write many amenities rather than much amenities.
answered Sep 26, 2013 at 7:10
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‘Even so’ is alright, but one of the great things about English is that there is an immense vocabulary from which to select. It is not a good thing to use the same expression twice on the same page, or too often, as it points to lack of literacy. As well as ‘even so’ you can use, ‘nonetheless’, ‘however’, ‘though’ etc.
answered Sep 26, 2013 at 9:42
Your two examples are identical in the usage of even so.
I felt sick, but even so, I still went to work
I was laughing, but even so, I felt sad
There may be no need for the comma after the but.
answered Sep 26, 2013 at 6:56
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It’s not used in this way very often any more, but even used roughly equivalent to exactly: «Hath she died in childbed? Even so.»
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1. It was raining, but even so we had to go out.
2. I had a terrible headache, but even so I went to the concert.
3. Even so, the underlying trend is positive.
4. There are a lot of spelling mistakes; even so, it’s quite a good essay.
5. The new method is not perfect; even so, it’s much better than the old one.
6. I know he’s only a child, but even so he should have known that what he was doing was wrong.
7. There are many spelling mistakes; even so it’s quite a good essay.
8. The bus was only half full. Even so, a young man asked Nina if the seat next to her was taken.
9. Even so, collective hypochondria grips the nation.
10. Even so, it seemed almost too easy.
11. Even so, escape sequences are only barely legible.
12. Even so, some important findings were forthcoming.
13. Even so, perception still dominates reasoning.
14. Even so people seem to shrug their shoulders.
15. Even so, these are good headphones.
16. Even so there are rumours of an illegal rave.
17. Even so, any extra overhead is hardly noticeable.
18. Even so[sentencedict.com], recent economic reports suggest growth is flagging.
19. Even so, Peng Yu-wei seemed not to notice.
20. Even so, he felt heavy of heart.
21. Even so, by 1941 considerable progress had been made.
22. What, even so, of the required gravitational pull?
23. Even so, the impending auction has stirred poignant memories.
24. Even so, 10,000-20,000 birds have perished.
25. Even so, some privately sneer at Hariri.
26. Even so, it has to be placed in context.
27. Even so, a cautionary note must be sounded.sentencedict.com
28. All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.
29. I grant that it must have been upsetting but even so I think she made a bit of a fuss.
30. An immediate interest cut might give a small boost to the economy. Even so, any recovery is likely to be very slow.
“Even” is an interesting word. It can be used for a variety of specific meanings that may be hard to generalise, and can raise particular confusion when it comes to its place in a sentence. It can add emphasis to examples (“I don’t like ducks – not even small ones.”) or verbs (“I didn’t even know the man!”). It can show unavoidable results (“Even when we tried our hardest, we failed.”). It can even show contrasts (“I like them, even though I hate their dog.”). So, how can you use it in sentences?
The meaning of “even”
As an adverb, on its own, even gives the idea of a surprising extreme. It describes verbs, other adverbs or adjectives. Even says something is ‘more than expected’.
- She can even speak Chinese.
- That dog is fast. But the cat is even faster.
Not even is used for extreme negatives, suggesting ‘less than expected’.
- He is not even nice to children.
Where to place “even” in a sentence
When used with a verb, even usually comes with a verb, in the middle position. This means it comes after auxiliary verbs such as have, do, and be (important for the perfect and continuous tenses and question, negative or modal forms); or it comes before a main verb on its own.
I have heard every genre of music. I have even heard gypsy swing music. (After auxiliary verb, before main verb.)
- He broke all the plates. He even broke her favourite plate. (Before main verb.)
When even refers to a subject, it usually goes before the subject, for instance at the start of clause.
- Even the young boy was disappointed with the clown’s performance.
It can also before other words or phrases that you want to emphasise.
- Peter collects many types of coins, even plastic ones.
- I swim in the sea every day, even when it is raining.
With negatives, even comes after not.
“even if”, “even though” and “even when”
You should not use even as a conjunction, on its own, but with if, when or though it can be used as a conjunction. These emphasise contrasting clauses, as something that is surprising or unexpected.
- Even if I won the lottery, I would live in this house.
- I had a good time, even though I spilt my drink.
- He was unhappy, even when they bought him a new car.
The three expressions cannot always be used in the same way. Certain rules can help separate them:
Even though should be used for general rules or facts. It is particularly common for states.
- I like chocolate even though it is unhealthy.
- We met at the park even though it was raining.
Even if is used with imagined or rare ideas.
- I would not kiss him even if he was the last man on Earth.
Even when is used for events, which can be occasional, regular or one-off. It often shows an unavoidable result.
- He sits in the park, even when it rains.
“even so”
Even so is usually used at the start of a clause, meaning ‘however’, ‘in spite of that’, but particularly focusing on surprising or unexpected results. It is used to present a contrast to an idea that has already been given (unlike ‘even though’, which joins two ideas with a contrast).
- It is sunny now. Even so, I am staying at home.
- Even though it is sunny now, I am staying at home.
“Even so” is very much like the word “but” or “however.” “Even so” is different in that it is used with surprising or unexpected results.
Other uses of “even”
Even can also be used to mean something is flat, equal or neutral. For example an even surface is flat.
When a debt is paid, or something has been settled (such as a dispute), the involved subjects may be considered even.
- He owed me two pounds, but he paid, so we are even.
Even is also used to describe numbers that can be divided by 2 (2, 4, 6, 8 etc.). These even numbers are alternate numbers starting at 2. Alternate numbers starting at 1 (1, 3, 5, etc.) are called odd numbers.
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EVEN is a small word but it sometimes causes big problems for English learners. If you are an English teacher, I’m sure that your students often ask you about this word. In this audio word study, we’ll look at two common expressionsthat my students ask me to explain:
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Even so
Meaning: EVEN SO means ‘despite what has just been said’.
Example: 1. The boy had a broken ankle, but even so he managed to get to the hospital without any help.
note: in this example, EVEN SO needs to follow the word ‘but’ or another conjunction that joins two main clauses. We can’t use EVEN SO in a dependent clause. It needs to be at the beginning of a main clause.
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2. The company was growing quickly. Even so, the director was careful not to take on too many staff.
note: in this example, EVEN SO is at the beginning of a new sentence, and is followed by a comma. We can’t reverse the order of the sentences.
In other words, it is incorrect to say ‘Even so, the director was careful not to take on too many staff. The company was growing quickly.’ This does not make any sense!
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Even though
Meaning: EVEN THOUGH means the same as ALTHOUGH, but it is stronger in meaning.
Example: 1. Even though it was snowing outside, he went for a walk in a T-shirt and a pair of shorts!
note: we can’t separate this into two sentences. In other words we can’t say ‘Even though it was snowing outside. He went for a walk in a T-shirt and a pair of shorts.’
This is because EVEN THOUGH is always at the beginning of a dependent clause, not a main clause. However, we can reverse the order of the clauses.
We can say ‘He went outside for a walk in a T-shirt and a pair of shorts even though it was snowing outside’.
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2. The employees had to stay at the office until late in the evening even though they had finished all their work.
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Pronunciation note: EVEN THOUGH is often pronounced as EVEN SO, because the TH sound in English is often wrongly pronounced as S.
So be careful, because they are used in the opposite side of the sentence! Look at these examples:
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It was raining but even so, we had a picnic.
Even though it was raining, we had a picnic.
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Even so-called meaningless work can stimulate your imagination if executed with total presence of mind and zero dread.
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For even so-called formal implication gets its significance only on the supposed truth of the terms with which it deals.
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Even so-called worldly literature was strongly tinctured with religion.
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With regard to other species than his own, even so-called civilized man is often eminently selfish and cruel.
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It is the last fetich which even so-called liberal-minded people refuse to destroy.