He has never been known to use a word

William Faulkner? Ernest Hemingway? Apocryphal?

Dear Quote Investigator: Two major writers of the twentieth century disagreed sharply about the type of vocabulary that was advantageous in literary works. Apparently, Faulkner said that Hemingway had “no courage” because he tightly circumscribed his word choice. Hemingway punched back by stating that he did not need “ten-dollar words”. He also said that Faulkner’s writing had deteriorated because of his dependence on alcohol. Would you please examine this altercation?

Quote Investigator: In April 1947 William Faulkner visited the University of Mississippi by invitation. He answered questions posed by students in a Creative Writing class, and his remarks were transcribed. After a multi-year delay the text was published in the Summer 1951 issue of the quarterly “The Western Review”. When asked to evaluate his own position in the literary pantheon he made a critical comment about Hemingway. Boldface has been added to excerpts:[1]1951 Summer, The Western Review: A Literary Quarterly Published at the State University of Iowa, Volume 15, Number 4, An Interview with William Faulkner, Edited by Lavon Rascoe, (Interview was … Continue reading[2]1999, Conversations with William Faulkner, Edited by M. Thomas Inge, (Collection of William Faulkner interviews from miscellaneous publications), Series: Literary Conversations Series, Chapter: An … Continue reading

Q. If you don’t think it too personal, how do you rank yourself with contemporary writers?

A. 1. Thomas Wolfe: he had much courage and wrote as if he didn’t have long to live; 2. William Faulkner; 3. Dos Passos; 4. Ernest Hemingway: he has no courage, has never crawled out on a limb. He has never been known to use a word that might cause the reader to check with a dictionary to see if it is properly used; 5. John Steinbeck: at one time I had great hopes for him — now I don’t know.

. . .
Q. Mr. Faulkner, do you mind our repeating anything we have heard today outside of class?

A. No. It was true yesterday, is true today, and will be true tomorrow.

Here are additional selected citations in chronological order.

In May 1950 “The New Yorker” magazine published a lengthy profile article about Ernest Hemingway. QI believes that the pointed commentary from Faulkner had not yet reached Hemingway’s ears. Nevertheless, he was aware of similar criticisms, and he presented a forceful opinion about the selection of words:[3]1950 May 13, The New Yorker, Profiles: How Do You Like It Now, Gentlemen? by Lillian Ross, (Profile of Ernest Hemingway), Start Page 36, Quote Page 46 and 48, F. R. Publishing Corporation, New York. … Continue reading

Hemingway told me that he had been cutting the manuscript. “The test of a book is how much good stuff you can throw away,” he said. “When I’m writing it, I’m just as proud as a goddam lion. I use the oldest words in the English language. People think I’m an ignorant bastard who doesn’t know the ten-dollar words. I know the ten-dollar words. There are older and better words which if you arrange then in the proper combination you make it stick. Remember, anybody who pulls his erudition or education on you hasn’t any.

When Faulkner’s statement about Hemingway was disseminated in the summer of 1951 it attracted notice. For example, in October 1951 the journal “College English” reported on the contents of “The Western Review” and reprinted the text of Faulkner’s auctorial ranking with the following prefatory remark:[4] 1951 October, College English, Volume 13, Number 1, Report and Summary: The Western Review, Start Page 45, Quote Page 52, Published by National Council of Teachers of English. (JSTOR) link

In the same magazine is the stenographic record of an interview William Faulkner gave to a class in creative writing at the University of Mississippi four years ago. The fact that Faulkner expressed these views at a time when most of his books were out of print and his reputation at an ebb makes them all the more interesting today.

In 1966 “Papa Hemingway: A Personal Memoir” by A. E. Hotchner was published. The author was a close friend of Hemingway’s and a fellow writer. In a chapter titled “Havana 1951-53” Hotchner noted that a version of Faulkner’s statement was relayed to Hemingway, and the response was astringent:[5] 1966, Papa Hemingway: A Personal Memoir by A. E. Hotchner, Part One: Chapter 4: Havana 1951-53, Quote Page 69 and 70, Random House, New York. (Verified on paper)

“Mr. William Faulkner got into the act by observing that you never crawl out on a limb. Said you had no courage, never been known to use a word that might send the reader to the dictionary.”

“Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words? He thinks I don’t know the ten-dollar words. I know them all right. But there are older and simpler and better words, and those are the ones I use. Did you read his last book? It’s all sauce-writing now, but he was good once. Before the sauce, or when he knew how to handle it.

The words attributed to Faulkner were slightly altered and condensed when compared to his original remarks. Hemingway’s response included an echo of the comment he had previously given within the profile published in “The New Yorker”. The disagreement did not occur face-to-face; the combatants were separated by time and distance.

In 1966 the prominent writer Anthony Burgess presented the dispute in the pages of the London periodical “The Spectator”. His quotations were based on Hotchner’s book:[6] 1966 July 8, The Spectator, He Wrote Good by Anthony Burgess, Quote Page 47, London, England. (Online Archive of The Spectator at archive.spectator.co.uk)

Faulkner said of him that he had no courage, that he had ‘never been known to use a word that might send the reader to the dictionary.’ Hemingway’s reply was according to Hotchner: ‘Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words? He thinks I don’t know the ten-dollar words. I know them all right. But there are older and simpler and better words, and those are the ones I use.’

In 1969 the column by Burgess was reprinted in his collection “Urgent Copy: Literary Studies”,[7] 1969 (1968 Copyright), Urgent Copy: Literary Studies by Anthony Burgess, Section 5.2: He Wrote Good, Start Page 121, Quote Page 124, W. W. Norton & Company, New York. (Verified on paper) and in 1979 the humorist Leo Rosten excerpted Burgess in his collection “Infinite Riches: Gems from a Lifetime of Reading”.[8] 1979, Infinite Riches: Gems from a Lifetime of Reading by Leo Rosten, Quote Page 126, Published by McGraw-Hill Book Company, New York. (Verified on paper)

It has been common for quotation references and other books to present Hotchner’s version of Faulkner’s statement because the instance in “Papa Hemingway” was widely-distributed, and the citation for “The Western Review” was not well known. For example, “The Times Book of Quotations” from 2000 contained the following entry:[9] 2000, The Times Book of Quotations, Section: William Faulkner, Quote Page 764, HarperCollins, Glasgow, United Kingdom. (Verified on paper)

Faulkner, William (1897-1962) US writer

Of Ernest Hemingway
He has never been known to use a word that might send the reader to the dictionary.
Attr.

In conclusion, William Faulkner and Ernest Hemingway did strongly disagree about vocabulary choice. The 1951 citation in “The Western Review” is directly from Faulkner, and the 1950 citation in “The New Yorker” is directly from Hemingway. The quotations in the 1966 book “Papa Hemingway” are compelling, but the words are channeled through Hotchner and, hence, less direct.

(Great thanks to The Language List whose tweet on this topic led QI to formulate this question and perform this exploration.)

„He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary.»
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— William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway)

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in, to, over, back, from, out
1) Рой говорит, что он никогда не был … Британском музее. Я думаю, что мы должны пойти туда вместе.
2) Где вы взяли этот словарь? − Я позаимствовал это … моего дяди.
3) Мой друг предпочитает математику … изучению языка.
4) Мы последовали … нашим учителем в прекрасное высокое здание.
5) Летом дети должны проводить больше времени … свежем воздухе.
6) Хуан говорит … по−испански, это его родной язык.
7) Можете ли вы передать … мою шляпу? Она слишком далеко от меня.
8) Урок окончен. Передайте … свои тетради, пожалуйста.
9) Она взяла мою фотографию, посмотрела на нее и передала … мне.
10) Теперь я собираюсь передать … вам бумагу для записи.

 
ОТВЕТ
1) Roy says he has never been to the British Museum. I think we should go there together.
2) Where did you get this dictionary? − I borrowed it from my uncle.
3) My friend prefers mathematics to language learning.
4) We followed our teacher to the beautiful high building.
5) In summer children should spend more time in the open air.
6) Juan speaks Spanish, it’s his mother tongue.
7) Can you, please, hand my hat over? It is too far away from me.
8) The lesson is over. Hand in your exercise books, please.
9) She took my photo, looked at it and handed it back to me.
10) Now I’m going to hand out some paper for you to write on.

 
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1) Рой говорит, что он никогда не был в Британском музее. Я думаю, что мы должны пойти туда вместе.
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3) Мой друг предпочитает математику изучению языка.
4) Мы последовали за нашим учителем в прекрасное высокое здание.
5) Летом дети должны проводить больше времени на свежем воздухе.
6) Хуан говорит по−испански, это его родной язык.
7) Можете ли вы передать мою шляпу? Она слишком далеко от меня.
8) Урок окончен. Сдайте свои тетради, пожалуйста.
9) Она взяла мою фотографию, посмотрела на нее и вернула мне.
10) Теперь я собираюсь раздать вам бумагу для записи.

  • #1

Hi everyone,

I’d like to know which sentence is correct:

He never knew that.

or

He has never known that.

I know that with «never» you must use the present perfect, but a lot of times I hear «never» used with the simple past….Can you explain me if it’s correct to use the simple past or not.

Thanks

    • #2

    Welcome to the forum Rob! There is little difference between the two phrases. I would use the first one, but the second one is acceptable as well. I think that there is more emphasis when you use has never known.

    audiolaik


    • #3

    I know that with «never» you must use the present perfect,

    Could you provide the source of this extremely intriguing rule?

    The past simple tense refers to something that happened in the past, usually at at definite time. The present perfect tense lays emphasis on the connection there is between the past and the present. For example, He never knew might imply that he is already dead, or he did not have this knowledge/experience in the past. He has never known could mean that he has never experienced some feelings(in the past and in the present), but one cannot exculde the possibility of him doing so in the future.

    I do know that my explanations seem to be confusing, but the hangover I am suffering from is unbearable….

    Last edited: Aug 23, 2008

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    • #4

    «He never knew that» refers to the state of his knowledge in the past. «Somebody copied his invention but he never knew that» («he» is now dead).

    «He has never known that» sounds slightly strange to my ears.

    «He has never understood that» sounds fine to me. It means that he didn’t understand it in the past and he still doesn’t understand it now.

    In conclusion, I am sure you can use «never» with the simple past and the present perfect. Your choice of tense will depend on the meaning that you wish to convey.

    • #5

    Could you provide the source of this extremely intriguing rule?

    The past simple tense refers to something that happened in the past, usually at at definite time. The present perfect tense lays emphasis on the connection there is between the past and the present. For example, He never knew might imply that he is already dead. He has never known could mean that he has never experienced some feelings,and one cannot exculde the possibility of him doing so in the future.

    Thank for the explanation.

    The source of that phrase is my english’s book. It says that with adverbs like ever,never,already,yet, ecc… you must use the present perfect.

    So you can use the simple past with ever, already too?

    Sorry for my poor english

    audiolaik


    • #6

    «He has never known that» sounds slightly strange to my ears.

    What about He has never known the fear of jumping out of a plane. Does it sound idiomatic to you?

    audiolaik


    • #7

    The source of that phrase is my english’s book. It says that with adverbs like ever,never,already,yet, ecc… you must use the present perfect.
    So you can use the simple past with ever, already too?

    What book is it?

    It is common to use the adverbs you mention with the present perfect tense, but everything depends on the context you are dealing with.

    sound shift


    • #8

    Thank for the explanation.

    The source of that phrase is my english’s book. It says that with adverbs like ever,never,already,yet, ecc… you must use the present perfect.

    So you can use the simple past with ever, already too?

    Sorry for my poor english

    The answer depends partly on the English that you speak (British or North American). My British usage is as follows:-

    «Ever» + simple past: possible. «When you lived in Rome, did you ever go to the Stadio Olimpico?» :tick:

    «Already» + simple past: not possible. «Did you phone Tim already?» :cross:
    «I already phoned Tim.» :cross:
    («Have you phoned Tim yet?» :tick: «I’ve already phoned Tim.» :tick:)

    Last edited: Aug 23, 2008

    sound shift


    • #9

    What about He has never known the fear of jumping out of a plane. Does it sound idiomatic to you?

    Yes, it does. :thumbsup:

    • #10

    What book is it?

    It is common to use the adverbs you mention with the present perfect tense, but everything depends on the context you are dealing with.

    For understanding better the rule, can you do some example using already and ever with the simple past?

    Sound shift: thanks a lot

    • #11

    You can use adverbs such as: never, already, ever, etc. with the simple past (preterite.).
    ex: He already ate. He never ate those apples.

    • #12

    You can use adverbs such as: never, already, ever, etc. with the simple past (preterite.).
    ex: He already ate. He never ate those apples.

    I don’t think we, in BE, can say he already ate, to mean he has already eaten. But the differences between BE and AE in usage of these past tenses is well known.

    I can’t agree with this (cf. below) part of sound shift’s post either.

    sound shift said:

    «Already» + simple past: not possible. «Did you phone Tim already?» :cross:
    «I already phoned Tim.» :cross:

    Sure, we can’t say I already phoned Tim, but the fact doesn’t stop the tense being used with already in the case of other verbs: for instance, I’m sure sound shift could say I already knew Tim.

    The original question was about:

    He never knew that. I don’t think this implies that he is dead, though it does seem to imply that the condition he was in at the time we are talking about has ceased to be the case. Thus we could say:

    When he was going out with Sarah, he never knew that she’d already murdered four of her boyfriends. Certainly it’s implied here that he is no longer going out with Sarah, for one reason or another.As for:
    He has never known that. Like similar constructions this implies that he still doesn’t know that.

    I’d be very hesitant about this book’s so-called rules; they seem to me to simplify at the cost of courting error.

    audiolaik


    • #13

    He never knew that. I don’t think this implies that he is dead

    It goes without saying that it does not have to mean that he is dead; however, if you are talking about a dead person, you would probably use the past simple tense, not the present perfect tense.

    • #14

    It goes without saying that it does not have to mean that he is dead; however, if you are talking about a dead person, you would probably use the past simple tense, not the present perfect tense.

    Certainly, because in BE the present perfect would suggest he still didn’t know, and you can’t easily be dead and not know something, or know something, for that matter.

    It had been suggested elsewhere that it meant that ‘he’ was dead, I think.

    audiolaik


    • #15

    Certainly, because in BE the present perfect would suggest he still didn’t know, and you can’t easily be dead and not know something, or know something, for that matter.

    It had been suggested elsewhere that it meant that ‘he’ was dead, I think.

    Yes, it is my fault, TT. Accept my apologies for the confusion!:D

    sound shift


    • #16

    It goes without saying that it does not have to mean that he is dead; however, if you are talking about a dead person, you would probably use the past simple tense, not the present perfect tense.

    No, I didn’t say that it implies he is dead, but I chose a dead person because there is no possibility of a dead person doing something that he/she did not do in life. In the absence of this possibility, the simple past must be used. Another way of looking at it is to say that there is no present for a dead person, so use the simple past. It would be a nonsense to say of a dead person «He has never understood it», but you can say this of a living person if there is a chance that he/she will eventually understand it.

    Edit: I drafted this while some of you posted, but I think we are on the same wavelength anyway.

    sound shift


    • #17

    Sure, we can’t say I already phoned Tim, but the fact doesn’t stop the tense being used with already in the case of other verbs: for instance, I’m sure sound shift could say I already knew Tim.

    Good point, Thomas. I hadn’t thought of that.

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    • #18

    No, I didn’t say that it implies he is dead, but I chose a dead person because there is no possibility of a dead person doing something that he/she did not do in life. In the absence of this possibility, the simple past must be used. Another way of looking at it is to say that there is no present for a dead person, so use the simple past. It would be a nonsense to say of a dead person «He has never understood it», but you can say this of a living person if there is a chance that he/she will eventually understand it.

    Edit: I drafted this while some of you posted, but I think we are on the same wavelength anyway.

    This is precisely what I meant in post number 2!
    Yes, I agree, sound shift. We are on the same wavelength!

    Complete using the list of words and phrases.
    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ making an appointment with the professor was Sara able to set a final exam date to complete the course.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ were the students to blame for the broken door.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ were they late to class, but they also came unprepared.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ during the brunch, did anyone notice that Mary left and never came back?

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ should permit driver’s license holders to be allowed to drive minors unaccompanied.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ had he turned off the lights that the dog started barking.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ had Jonathon arrived at the wedding when he was paged to respond to a fire emergency.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ before has the golf team found itself facing such stiff competition.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ will you meet anyone as nice as my grandson.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ will my elementary-age child be allowed to watch a rated-R movie.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ once did he ever give me credit for all the work I did in that house.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

    __________________________ did she know that the teacher was really an actor and the entire class was set up as a hoax to trick the department head.

    at no point, in no way, little, never, not, not only, no sooner, only after, scarcely, on no account, rarely, under no circumstances

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