Excel do not calculate on save

Bottom Line: Learn about the different calculation modes in Excel and what to do if your formulas are not calculating when you edit dependent cells.

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Why Aren’t My Formulas Calculating?

If you’ve ever been in a situation where the formulas in your spreadsheet are not automatically calculating as they should, you know how frustrating it can be.

This was happening to my friend Brett. He was telling me that he was working with a file and it wasn’t recalculating the formulas as he was entering data. He found that he had to edit each cell and hit Enter for the formula in the cell to update.

And it was only happening on his computer at home. His work computer was working just fine. This was driving him crazy and wasting a lot of time.

The most likely cause of this issue is the Calculation Option mode, and it’s a critical setting that every Excel user should know about.

Calculation Options Manual or Automatic Calc Mode.

To check what calculation mode Excel is in, go to the Formulas tab, and click on Calculation Options. This will bring up a menu with three choices. The current mode will have a checkmark next to it. In the image below, you can see that Excel is in Manual Calculation Mode.

When Excel is in Manual Calculation mode, the formulas in your worksheet will not calculate automatically. You can quickly and easily fix your problem by changing the mode to Automatic. There are cases when you might want to use Manual Calc mode, and I explain more about that below.

Calculation Settings are Confusing!

It’s really important to know how the calculation mode can change. Technically, it’s is an application-level setting. That means that the setting will apply to all workbooks you have open on your computer.

As I mention in the video above, this was the issue with my friend Brett. Excel was in Manual calculation mode on his home computer and his files weren’t calculating. When he opened the same files on his work computer, they were calculating just fine because Excel was in Automatic calculation mode on that computer.

However, there is one major nuance here. The workbook (Excel file) also stores the last saved calculation setting and can change/override the application-level setting.

This should only happen for the first file you open during an Excel session.

For example, if you change Excel to manual calc mode before you save & close the file, then that setting is stored with the workbook. If you then open that workbook as the first workbook in your Excel session, the calculation mode will be changed to manual.

All subsequent workbooks that you open during that session will also be in manual calculation mode. If you save and close those files, the manual calc mode will be stored with the files as well.

The confusing part about this behavior is that it only happens for the first file you open in a session. Once you close the Excel application completely and then re-open it, Excel will return to automatic calculation mode if you start by opening a new blank file or any file that is in automatic calculation mode.

Therefore, the calculation mode of the first file you open in an Excel session dictates the calculation mode for all files opened in that session. If you change the calculation mode in one file, it will be changed for all open files.

Note: I misspoke about this in the video when I said that the calculation setting doesn’t travel with the workbook, and I will update the video.

The 3 Calculation Options

There are three calculation options in Excel.

Automatic Calculation means that Excel will recalculate all dependent formulas when a cell value or formula is changed.

Manual Calculation means that Excel will only recalculate when you force it to. This can be with a button press or keyboard shortcut. You can also recalculate a single cell by editing the cell and pressing Enter.

Automatic Except for Data Tables means that Excel will recalculate automatically for all cells except those that are used in Data Tables. This is not referring to normal Excel Tables that you might work with frequently. This refers to a scenario-analysis tool that not many people use. You find it on the Data tab, under the What-If Scenarios button. So unless you’re working with those Data Tables, it’s unlikely you will ever purposely change the setting to that option.

Data tab what if scenarios data tables

In addition to finding the Calculation setting on the Data tab, you can also find it on the Excel Options menu. Go to File, then Options, then Formulas to see the same setting options in the Excel Options window.

Under the Manual Option, you’ll see a checkbox for recalculating the workbook before saving, which is the default setting. That’s a good thing because you want your data to calculate correctly before you save the file and share it with your co-workers.

Excel Options Window Calculation Settings

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Why Would I Use Manual Calculation Mode?

If you are wondering why anyone would ever want to change the calculation from Automatic to Manual, there’s one major reason. When working with large files that are slow to calculate, the constant recalculation whenever changes are made can sometimes slow your system. Therefore people will sometimes switch to Manual mode while working through changes on worksheets that have a lot of data, and then will switch back.

When you are in Manual Calculation mode, you can force a calculation at any time using the Calculate Now button on the Formulas tab.

Calculate now button for manual calculation mode

The keyboard shortcut for Calculate Now is F9, and it will calculate the entire workbook. If you want to calculate just the current worksheet, you can choose the button below it: Calculate Sheet. The keyboard shortcut for that choice is Shift + F9.

Here is a list of all Recalculate keyboard shortcuts:

Shortcut Description
F9 Recalculate formulas that have changed since the last calculation, and formulas dependent on them, in all open workbooks. If a workbook is set for automatic recalculation, you do not need to press F9 for recalculation.
Shift+F9  Recalculate formulas that have changed since the last calculation, and formulas dependent on them, in the active worksheet.
Ctrl+Alt+F9  Recalculate all formulas in all open workbooks, regardless of whether they have changed since the last recalculation.
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+F9 Check dependent formulas, and then recalculate all formulas in all open workbooks, regardless of whether they have changed since the last recalculation.
Source: Microsoft: Change formula recalculation article

Macro Changing to Manual Calculation Mode

If you find that your workbook is not automatically calculating, but you didn’t purposely change the mode, another reason that it may have changed is because of a macro.

Now I want to preface this by saying that the issue is NOT caused by all macros. It’s a specific line of code that a developer might use to help the macro run faster.

The following line of VBA code tells Excel to change to Manual Calculation mode.

Application.Calculation = xlCalculationManual

Sometimes the author of the macro will add that line at the beginning so that Excel does not attempt to calculate while the macro runs. The setting should then changed be changed back at the end of the macro with the following line.

Application.Calculation = xlCalculationAutomatic

This technique can work well for large workbooks that are slow to calculate.

However, the problem arises when the macro doesn’t get to finish—perhaps due to an error, program crash, or unexpected system issue. The macro changes the setting to Manual and it doesn’t get changed back.

As I mention in the video, this was exactly what happened to my friend Brett, and he was NOT aware of it. He was left in manual calc mode and didn’t know why, or how to get Excel calculating again.

Therefore, if you are using this technique with your macros, I encourage you to think about ways to mitigate this issue. And also warn your users of the potential of Excel being left in manual calc mode.

I also recommend NOT changing the Calculation property with code unless you absolutely need to. This will help prevent frustration and errors for the users of your macros.

Conclusion

I hope this information is helpful for you, especially if you are currently dealing with this particular issue. If you have any questions or comments about calculation modes, please share them in the comments.

Do Not Calculate Data Tables When Saving Or Opening — Excel

Hello all. I’ve tried searching several Excel forums for my particular issue at hand and have had no luck to date on an answer, so I have decided to join and post for myself. I have an Excel workbook with ~25 data tables which calculate through several iterations to arrive at their values. My problem is that every time I save, it takes 2 min to save if I have «Automatic» or «Automatic except tables» enabled. Also, when I open it takes quite a while to open. It is to my understanding that even if the latter option is selected, data tables recalculate upon opening or saving. My ideal solution is to have «Automatic except tables» enabled, but force Excel to refrain from recalculating upon opening or saving (and only recalc tables when I press F9). I know I can keep Excel in Manual mode, but would like to avoid doing this if possible. Thanks in advance for your advice.

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any better.
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  1. 07-22-2010, 02:58 PM


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    Do not calculate data tables when saving or opening

    Hello all. I’ve tried searching several Excel forums for my particular issue at hand and have had no luck to date on an answer, so I have decided to join and post for myself. I have an Excel workbook with ~25 data tables which calculate through several iterations to arrive at their values. My problem is that every time I save, it takes 2 min to save if I have «Automatic» or «Automatic except tables» enabled. Also, when I open it takes quite a while to open. It is to my understanding that even if the latter option is selected, data tables recalculate upon opening or saving. My ideal solution is to have «Automatic except tables» enabled, but force Excel to refrain from recalculating upon opening or saving (and only recalc tables when I press F9). I know I can keep Excel in Manual mode, but would like to avoid doing this if possible. Thanks in advance for your advice.


  2. 06-06-2014, 05:11 AM


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    Re: Do not calculate data tables when saving or opening

    Hi there

    I would like to know how to do exactly the same thing. Has no one replied to this thread yet?

    Cheers


  3. 06-06-2014, 05:17 AM


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    Re: Do not calculate data tables when saving or opening

    I think the red text is a answer to the problem.

    Notice my main language is not English.

    I appreciate it, if you reply on my solution.

    If you are satisfied with the solution, please mark the question solved.

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  4. 06-06-2014, 05:21 AM


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    Re: Do not calculate data tables when saving or opening

    Thanks for the quick response oeldere. However, my preference is still the same as per the original question. Is there any method to stop excel recalculating datatables upon open, close and save (i.e. only happens when I press F9) whilst keeping the calculations setting at ‘Automatic except for datatables’?

    Thanks


  5. 06-06-2014, 05:54 AM


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    Re: Do not calculate data tables when saving or opening

    Managed to solve the issue using other forumns guys — Applied the following code to the workbook:

    Private Sub Workbook_BeforeClose(Cancel As Boolean)
    Application.CalculateBeforeSave = False
    End Sub

    Private Sub Workbook_BeforeSave(ByVal SaveAsUI As Boolean, Cancel As Boolean)
    Application.CalculateBeforeSave = False
    End Sub

    Cheers


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Sometimes you will see the information that asks you whether you want to save the changes or not. But actually you make no change to the file. Why does this information still appear?

If you make some modifications to an Excel file and then close it without saving, it will ask you whether you want to save the changes. It is indeed a very good feature that can avoid data loss to certain degree.The Information

However, when you open another workbook and check certain values instead of changing it, you will still see the information. You may wonder which value has changed. You can click the button “Cancel” and find in the file. The easiest way is to check whether the “Undo” button is available. But you will see that this button is also invalid.Invalid Button

To figure out the reason, you may continue referring to the rest of the article.

The Reason behind the Phenomenon

In an Excel with plenty of data, it will certainly contain formulas. Some formulas don’t need to refer to another cell. For example, the RAND function. Sometimes you will use it in your worksheet to get some random numbers. Other functions also include NOW, TODAY and others.

And now check the calculation options of the current workbook.

  1. Click the tab “Formulas” in the ribbon.
  2. And then click the button “Calculations Options”.

In this image, you can see that the calculation options is “Automatic”.Automatic

Now we can get the conclusion. If there is certain functions and the calculation options is “Automatic”, whenever you open the file, those functions will recalculate automatically and produce new results. On the other hand, if this is a macro workbook, certain codes will also have the same effect. Thus, even if you made no change to the workbook and the “Undo” button is invalid, there still exist changes in the file. Therefore, the next time you see the information, you need to decide whether to save the changes of those functions according to the actual need.

Avoid Auto Calculate through Calculation Options

If you find this feature annoying, you can also close it. To make the data more accurate in the workbook, you need to change in Excel options.

  1. Click “File” in the ribbon.
  2. And then click “Options”.Click File and Click Options
  3. In the “Excel Options”, choose the “Formulas”.
  4. And then in the “Calculation Options”, check the option “Manual”.

There are also two different conditions about the option under the “Manual”.

  • If you check the option “Recalculate workbook before saving”, the next time you open the workbook, the formulas will not recalculate. If you make no change to the workbook and close it, the formula will not recalculate and you will not see the information. But if you save the workbook manually, even if you still make no change to the file, the formula will recalculate and then save.
  • On the other hand, if you uncheck the option, it will not recalculate when you open the workbook. When you save the workbook, the corresponding formula will still not recalculate. This is exactly the difference of the option. And you will not see the information when you close the file.

Now you check the “Manual”, only when you manually recalculate the worksheet (Press F9) or workbook (Press Shift+F9), the formula will recalculate. Hence, you need to decide whether to check the option according to your actual need.Change Calculation Options

  1. And then click “OK” in the window.
  2. Next save the workbook.

Besides, this setting only takes effect in the current workbook, so it will not affect other Excel files. And now you will never be bothered by the same problem.

You may also pay attention that all the formulas in the workbook will not recalculate automatically. Suppose there is a formula that refers to a certain cell. When you change the value in the cell, the formula will not recalculate. If you uncheck the option “Recalculate workbook before saving” and you forget to recalculate manually, the result of the formula will actually become an error even if you save the file. This is a very important point that you need to be careful.

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You’re probably already aware that Excel has two main calculation modes: automatic and manual.

  • Automatic calculation – calculates when a value changes or based on specific actions (inserting, deleting, hiding rows/columns, or renaming a worksheet, etc.).
  • Manual calculation – only calculates when explicitly requested by the user:
    • From the ribbon, click Formulas > Calculate Now (shortcut key F9) to calculate all open workbooks.
    • From the ribbon, click Formulas > Calculate Sheet (shortcut key Shift + F9) to recalculate only the active worksheet.

I’m sure everybody would prefer to use automatic calculation; however, formula complexity and large data sets can cause spreadsheet calculation to be slow. As a result, some users set Excel to manual calculation mode.

The differences between these two calculation modes can cause issues as they don’t always behave as we might expect. To some users, it may appear the calculation mode keeps changing all by itself. In this post, we’ll explore what causes this to happen, and how we can solve it.

Understanding the scope of the calculation mode

The calculation mode is an application-level setting. This means it applies to all the workbooks open in Excel. If Excel is in automatic calculation mode, all workbooks are in that mode. Equally, if Excel is in manual calculation mode, then all workbooks are also in manual calculation mode. It is one setting that applies to all open workbooks in the Excel session.

If using Excel Online, each browser window is treated as a separate application and therefore has its own calculation settings.

What actions change the calculation mode?

So far, it all seems straightforward. However, what causes the most confusion is understanding what actions cause the calculation mode to change:

  • Settings changed by the user
  • VBA code
  • Office Scripts
  • The first workbook opened in a session

Let’s take a look at each of these in turn.

Settings changed by the user

To my knowledge (excluding VBA code or Office Scripts), there are two ways for the user to change the calculation mode, through the Formula ribbon or through the Excel Options window.

Option 1: Formula ribbon

In the ribbon, click Formulas > Calculation Options > [Select: Automatic / Auto except data tables / Manual]

Formulas - Calculation Options in Ribbon

Option 2: Excel Options

Click File > Options from the ribbon to open the Excel Options dialog box.

Then, in the Excel Options dialog box click Formulas > Calculation options > [Select: Automatic / Manual / Auto except data tables].

Excel Options - Calculation Mode

Click OK to close the window.

Note: Using this method you can also enable/disable recalculating when saving.

What is a data table?

In the calculation options, the second item is automatic except for data tables. The data tables being referred to are the feature found under Data > What If Analysis > Data Tables…, it is not referring to the Tables feature.

Data tables are separated because they can cause slow calculation due to:

  • Performing multiple recalculations of the workbook
  • Using single-threaded calculations

Data tables are useful because they provide a way to calculate multiple versions of a calculation using different parameters, and then compare the variations between those calculations. However, as they can cause slow calculation an additional option is available.

VBA code

When using VBA, it is easy to change the calculation mode. The lines of code below are examples of the types of how to change the calculation mode.

'Change to automatic calculation
Application.Calculation = xlAutomatic

'Change to manual calculation
Application.Calculation = xlManual

'Change to automatic except for data tables
Application.Calculation = xlSemiautomatic

'When in manual mode, calculate the workbook before saving
Application.CalculateBeforeSave = True

'When in manual mode, do not calculate the workbook before saving
Application.CalculateBeforeSave = False

With VBA, it is common to change the calculation mode to manual at the start of a procedure, then change it back at the end, as it helps with speed.  However, if the macro errors or exits before completion, the calculation mode will not return to its previous state.

So, VBA can cause unexpected changes in calculation mode if the code is not written correctly.

Office Scripts

Office Scripts, like VBA, can change the calculation mode through code.

//Change to automatic calculation
workbook.getApplication().setCalculationMode(ExcelScript.CalculationMode.automatic)

//Change to manual calculation
workbook.getApplication().setCalculationMode(ExcelScript.CalculationMode.manual)

//Change to automatic except for data tables
workbook.getApplication().setCalculationMode(ExcelScript.CalculationMode.automaticExceptTables)

Unlike VBA, Office Scripts does not have any options to force calculation before save.

First workbook in session

The methods above make sense, as they involve user action or running a code. But the most common reason for the switch between automatic and manual is not as apparent.

The calculation mode is most often changed based on the calculation setting of the first workbook opened in the Excel session.

Each workbook contains the calculation mode setting. Excel adopts the calculation mode of the first workbook opened in a session. Any workbooks subsequently opened also adopt the calculation mode of the first workbook, irrespective of its own settings.

This is the part that causes the most problems, as we don’t usually check calculation settings when opening a workbook in a new session.

NOTE: Excel Online treats each workbook as a separate application session therefore it cannot impact other workbooks.

The saved calculation settings?

When a workbook saves, the calculation mode at the time of saving is held within the workbook. This becomes a problem for anybody who does not understand calculation modes.

Let’s use an example:
Jack is a newish Excel user and does not know that calculation modes exist. He believes all Excel files are set to automatic calculation; that is all he has ever experienced. Jack’s work colleague sends him a workbook saved in manual calculation mode via e-mail. Jack opens the workbook, this happens to be the first workbook opened in Excel. Jack has no idea the calculation mode for the application has now been set to manual; he has no idea that manual even exists. Jack continues to work with Excel; opening, modifying, saving, and e-mailing workbooks. There are two issues key issues here:

  1. The workbooks saved during that session may now be set to manual. If subsequent users open up those same workbooks first, their session too will change to manual.
  2. Jack’s workbooks may not have calculated at the right point in the process, and therefore he has potentially created workbooks containing lots of incorrect values.

For many users, manual calculation mode can become like a virus that spreads without them knowing it. So, the lesson is to check your calculation mode regularly.

How to fix Excel to always be in one calculation mode

The quick answer is that there is no ‘fix’ because that is how Excel has been designed to operate. However, there are a few options to mitigate the potential problem:

Use VBA in all workbooks, which must be opened with automatic calculation
Adding a VBA workbook open event to your workbook will force the calculation mode to change to automatic each time the workbook is opened. The example code below should be inserted into the Workbook code module

Private Sub Workbook_Open()
Application.Calculation = xlCalculationAutomatic
End Sub

However, there is one drawback to using a macro option. Depending on the users’ settings and whether they click the button to enable content, the macro may or may not execute.

NOTE: In Excel Online there is no way to automatically trigger an Office Script; therefore, there is no online equivalent.

Always open a specific workbook first
A better option may be to save a workbook with the correct calculation mode in your XLSTART folder. That workbook will always open first and set the calculation mode to automatic for the session.

An alternative to having a workbook in the start folder is to use a Personal Macro Workbook set to manual calculation, even if that it contains no macros. Find out more how to create a Personal Macro Workbook here: https://www.ablebits.com/office-addins-blog/excel-personal-macro-workbook/

This will not prevent the user, or macros from changing the calculation mode, but it should reduce the risk of triggering a change based on the first workbook opened.

NOTE: Excel Online does not have a feature to open a specific workbook when the application opens.

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But, if you’re still struggling you should:

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Karataev

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добрый вечер)
смысл такой : есть файл с кнопкой и макросом. Пользователь нажимает кнопку в этом файле и запускается макрос.
у макроса есть  такой оператор Application.Calculation = xlCalculationAutomatic
в результате происходит обновление формул в обрабатываемых файлах  и в файле-макросе.
потом , когда файл-макрос закрывается ,то появляется сообщение ,кот.предлагает сохранить файл-макрос.

скажите ,пожалуйста,есть ли не обходной способ(обходной способ я и сам придумал) ,а встроенный способ,чтобы не обновлялись формулы в файле-макросе?
потому что не удобно,когда закрывается файл-макрос ,то появляется сообщение. Ведь пользователь ничего не делает в файле-макросе

 

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08.11.2014 23:43:57

Кажись так:

Код
Application.Calculation = xlCalculationManual
 

Ок. Извиняюсь.

Изменено: Шойблер09.11.2014 00:15:55

 

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вы не поняли мою задачу. в вашем посте нет ответа на мой вопрос

 

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Не очень понятно про «встроенный способ»… Вариант: в конце кода записать, что файл сохранён, тогда вопрос задаваться не должен.

 

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09.11.2014 00:49:34

Цитата
Karataev пишет: обходной способ я и сам придумал

предлагаете поиграть в угадайку?
форумчане предлагают способы, а Вы говорите: не-е-ет, это обходной способ.
или: не-е-ет, именно этот способ я и сам придумал.

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Контакты см. в профиле

:D

 

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Юрий М

может быть  есть в excel средство ,которое запрещает  пересчет формул в файле.
я сначала включаю это средство ,затем я делаю Application.Calculation = xlCalculationAutomatic

то,что вы предложили -это обходной путь. я такой же способ придумал ,как и вы -сохраняю файл-макрос и соответственно нет потом сообщений

 

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09.11.2014 09:10:19

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Karataev пишет:
может быть есть в excel средство ,которое запрещаетпересчет формул в файле

нет, такого нет
есть метод Calculate (у объектов Application, Workbook, Worksheet и Range)
соответственно, один из вариантов решения проблемы — не менять режим вычислений для приложения (т.е. всех открытых книг), а вызвать этот метод только для нужных книг (или листов, или диапазонов).
но, думаю, этот способ Вы тоже назовёте «обходным» :)

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ikki

 нужно на время работы макроса выключить пересчет формул,чтобы ускорить работу макроса.
но после работы макроса нужно вернуть режим пересчета формул.
такой оператор  Application.Calculation = xlCalculationAutomatic  действует на все открытые файлы.

может быть есть замена Application.Calculation = xlCalculationManual и таком можно сделать для конкретных файлов?

Изменено: Karataev09.11.2014 09:18:37

 

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Ваше предположение вполне логично.
но неверно.
свойство Calculation есть только у приложения целиком, но не у книг
(по крайней мере — включительно по Excel 2010, для версии 2013 — не знаю).

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Профессиональная разработка приложений для MS Office

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Пользователь нажимает кнопку в этом файле и запускается макрос.
когда закрывается файл-макрос ,то появляется сообщение. Ведь пользователь ничего не делает в файле-макросе

А по-моему логично. Пользователь нажал кнопку — значит он понимает, что нажимает это для каких-то изменений. А если при нажатии кнопки изменений не происходит — зачем кнопка? Т.е. изначально как-то неверно задача стоит. Пользователь нажал кнопку, макрос что-то за него сделал. Значит изменения были и пользователь должен иметь выбор — сохранить эти изменения или нет.

Даже самый простой вопрос можно превратить в огромную проблему. Достаточно не уметь формулировать вопросы…

 

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Karataev пишет: я такой же способ придумал ,как и вы -сохраняю файл-макрос и соответственно нет потом сообщений

А я говорю о другом — сообщить Excel, что файл УЖЕ сохранён. Но это тоже будет в Вашей интерпретации «обходным» маневром. Что вообще считать не «обходным»? И где Вы у меня вычитали, что я предлагаю сохранять?

 

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The_Prist

макрос запускается не кнопкой с ленты ,а с файла. в файле находятся некоторые данные,которые макрос использует,но изменения никакие в файле-макросе не делает. пользователь может внести какие-нибудь изменения -это не запрещено. но это будет редко, а если ничего не придумать в макросе,то сообщение о сохранении всегда будет.

Юрий М

я невнимательно понял ваше предложение. да,можно не сохранять файл.
но все равно два неудобства : 1)в файле-макросе вообще не надо пересчитывать формулы. это хорошо,что файл-макрос содержит мало формул,а если было бы много? тогда время тратилось бы на пересчет. то есть уже  плохое. 2)да,это тоже обходное. необходной способ -это может быть у файла есть какое-нибудь свойство,которое отключает в нем пересчет формул или если можно включать режим пересчета,но где-нибудь пометить,что пересчитывать формулы не надо.

 

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Karataev пишет: включать режим пересчета,но где-нибудь пометить,что пересчитывать формулы не надо

Это как? А для чего его (режим) тогда включать?)

 

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вот так включается Application.Calculation = xlCalculationAutomatic

вообще,может быть действительно сделать запуск макроса с помощью кнопки на ленте. надо подумать. может так будет удобнее пользователю.

 

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Как включается режим — я знаю. Я не знаю, зачем его включать, чтобы не пересчитывать.

 

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в макросе и так используется пересчет. это нужно,чтобы превратить формулы в значения. поэтому после работы макроса не нужно обновлять формулы,хотя бы потому,что формул уже нет

 

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Ну не обновляйте — не включайте автоматику.

 

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но макрос отключает автоматику -значит должен включить после работы

 

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Но ведь уже предлагали: включить автоматику и сказать Excel, что файл сохранён — не срабатывает?

 

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срабатывает

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Tip: Excel not Updating Formulas until Save

I recently had a client who was having an issue with excel. When they had cells with formulas, if they updated the cells the formula would not change until they had saved the document. There is a simple option in excel which enables this.

If excel is not updating cells with formulas until you save, use the following method to make it automatic.

  1. Go to File -> Options
  2. Select “Formulas” from the left hand side bar
  3. Under Calculation Options, select automatic for workbook Calculation

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